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Absolare said:
Hi Mike, I know that there are so many top flight digital systems out there....MSB, DCS and all of the "new kids on the block", which I can't even keep track of as it seems like every day I hear about something new in digital, BUT I know for certain that there may be other digital systems out there that are equal to what I am hearing with the Emm Labs gear, but I would bet a tidy sum that what I am listening to is SOTA and would compete with anything in the digital universe. I am a very happy camper....if feels so good:satisfying:
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No arguments there...
 
Mike said:
Now that Sony and others are behind it - DSD has a chance.
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The Hi-Res player is an exciting move for sure, but I’m not sure I would agree they’re fully behind it yet. Sony’s so big it could just be their consumer electronics division is out to “test the waters”. When they start flexing licensing muscle and release their back catalog of DSD content for purchase, then I would say it’s on.
 
Jin said:
The Hi-Res player is an exciting move for sure, but I’m not sure I would agree they’re fully behind it yet. Sony’s so big it could just be their consumer electronics division is out to “test the waters”. When they start flexing licensing muscle and release their back catalog of DSD content for purchase, then I would say it’s on.
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You might be correct, however, if Sony wasn't behind it - I don't think they would have created all these new products, branding, etc. High-Resolution Audio
 
Jin said:
The Hi-Res player is an exciting move for sure, but I’m not sure I would agree they’re fully behind it yet. Sony’s so big it could just be their consumer electronics division is out to “test the waters”. When they start flexing licensing muscle and release their back catalog of DSD content for purchase, then I would say it’s on.
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Who cares about Sony???

Now that you can use JRiver to do real-time or offline conversion of PCM or DSD64 to DSD128 (I just heard such an album last night and it was superb!). The latest trend de jour is to use DSD only Dacs and rip vinyl to DSD 128 with a used Korg MR-2000 or the new Tascam! You can do the same with SACD rips from 64 to 128 and even PCM RBCD/HiRez to 128.T

his opens up an infinite world of "DSD" music and for such a person (with or without Sony commitment), they only need a DSD128 Dac. I like the option to play music at native rates/format, so prefer to keep PCM playback as well.
 
wisnon said:
Who cares about Sony???

Now that you can use JRiver to do real-time or offline conversion of PCM or DSD64 to DSD128 (I just heard such an album last night and it was superb!). The latest trend de jour is to use DSD only Dacs and rip vinyl to DSD 128 with a used Korg MR-2000 or the new Tascam! You can do the same with SACD rips from 64 to 128 and even PCM RBCD/HiRez to 128.T

his opens up an infinite world of "DSD" music and for such a person (with or without Sony commitment), they only need a DSD128 Dac. I like the option to play music at native rates/format, so prefer to keep PCM playback as well.
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Actually their device already converts any stream to DSD anyway so you wouldn't even need to do that. I just find it odd their trumpeting DSD as a feature when they're not offering a way into their vast DSD catalog their sitting on. Seems contradictory to their strategy to me.
 
My point was device independent. We no longer need Sony to be engaged to make the format a success. DSD loving people are now digitizing their vinyl at DSD128 and playing back on whatever machine. People can also rip their SACDs. The music supply in DSD format is now nigh unlimited and the majors need to hurry to get on board or be lost in the shuffle.

The machine upsampling may be convenient, but will pale in comparison to an offline conversion and subsequent playback in a proplerly implemented dedicated DSD Dac done right! I mean pure DSD, like with the PBDs, EMMs, Meithners, Lampis etc....PURE DSD, no PCM allowed.
 
wisnon said:
My point was device independent. We no longer need Sony to be engaged to make the format a success. DSD loving people are now digitizing their vinyl at DSD128 and playing back on whatever machine. People can also rip their SACDs. The music supply in DSD format is now nigh unlimited and the majors need to hurry to get on board or be lost in the shuffle.

The machine upsampling may be convenient, but will pale in comparison to an offline conversion and subsequent playback in a proplerly implemented dedicated DSD Dac done right! I mean pure DSD, like with the PBDs, EMMs, Meithners, Lampis etc....PURE DSD, no PCM allowed.
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You tell 'em Norman:audiophile:
 
wisnon said:
My point was device independent. We no longer need Sony to be engaged to make the format a success. DSD loving people are now digitizing their vinyl at DSD128 and playing back on whatever machine. People can also rip their SACDs. The music supply in DSD format is now nigh unlimited and the majors need to hurry to get on board or be lost in the shuffle.
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I admire your optimism but unlimited? The DSD I'm seeing for sale is a tiny fraction of what of what's available on iTunes not to mention what you can find in a music store.

I don't personally feel like the currently available DSD music selection is enough to drive the format to mainstream success. The HDtracks, Super Hi rez's and SACD/Vinyl rippers of the world (I'm including myself) might be enough to satiate a small group of audiophiles, but not enough to gain mass market momentum IMO, and without mass market appeal, the majors like Sony, Universal aren't going to bother to make their vast catalogs available for download in hi-res. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I'm not seeing any indication there's going to be a gold rush of downloadable material anytime soon.
 
Jin,

I hear what you are saying and its partially true, but i feel the horse has bolted and no one can shut the gate anymore.

Ripping is essentially going "off the grid" and if the majors dont step up and make life easy with easy/reasonable downloads, it will spread! Lets not kid ourselves…technology is leading the way and the majors can either follow or get out of the way…. paradigm shift in progress and it will be disruptive.
 
I am at about 250 hrs on my D3's but am finding the bass a bit boomy and that is lot letting me get the transparency and accuracy that I should be getting. Could you suggest what positioning changes you made to lock them in. I too experience the popping every now and then! Your suggestions would be very welcome. Thanks
 
Absolare said:
I am stunned......can you believe 3 or 4 times the overall soundstage resolution than I previously was listening to and my previous set up was a $30K set up that really did not sound too bad. But now- all I can say is I am stunned.
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Looks like I'll be bringing some cd's as well as vinyl! :woot:
 
Serum said:
I am at about 250 hrs on my D3's but am finding the bass a bit boomy and that is lot letting me get the transparency and accuracy that I should be getting. Could you suggest what positioning changes you made to lock them in. I too experience the popping every now and then! Your suggestions would be very welcome. Thanks
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My thinking is that every room is different, you have to find out what works in your room. I moved my speakers 6" at a time from right to left and backward and forward to find the best balance regarding bass and spatial openness. Depends on your flooring as to whether you need marble/granite bases. If you have a cement or stone floor you are probably fine. If you are on carpet, the biggest improvement will be to get two slabs of either granite, marble or any hard material. Are you on carpet?
 
Vinyl is great, but DSD recorded material on a true DSD player, the gap has been cut, and it just may not exists anymore...
 
wisnon said:
Vinyl is great, but DSD recorded material on a true DSD player, the gap has been cut, and it just may not exists anymore...
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Hi,

Do you know where you can find jazz recordings that are DSD128 recordings, recorded on a true DSD player available for download?

Thanks
 
HDTT and DSDFile.com

If not recorded in DSD they will be analog transfer which are almost the sam quality. That is why many are moving to rip their vinyl collection to DSD128.
 
socfan12 said:
See, it's comments like these that make me wonder if the trip to the dark side is still necessary...:skeptical:
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I think Vinyl is "different" more than better at this point, the digital really is coming of age. I know the vinyl only guys would not agree with that, this is just the way it is for me personally.
 
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