Where's all the Shindo owners?

Paul

Giscours, though the Monbrison looks like it might fill the bill as well. Either one is in the future though. Next step, in that setup once I get the appropriate speakers might be the new Primaluna Preamp to go with the Music Reference amp. Retiree's have to take small steps.
 
Jack said:
Kev313

Again after claiming to want to be neutral you are going down the rabbit hole on your own. If you don't want to have a reasonable discussion about the merits of a particular brand of gear you are certainly free to leave, since you just got here.

Rower

Again if you didn't like the forum way the managed then just walk away. Don't get banned and then come somewhere else and "brag" about it.

As to the Shindo gear, all I would ever consider purchasing would be one of the preamps.
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Man alive.... First of all I never claimed to be neutral. I'm doing my best to act in a relatively neutral fashion to avoid conflict here like the last place. But, no, I'm not neutral. I happen to like Shindo and think that people who do not listen to the advice of Shindo reps are wrong. Do you want to have a discussion about the merits of the gear? I can do that. I've owned Montille, Sinhonia, GM70, Aurigies, Aurigies phono, VR, vintage Model 77, Monbrison, and have used them on at least 8 different speakers including FC Latour and...gasp...Tannoy.

Disputes over the Shindo dealers opinion of how to use Shindo are something else. That is to what I was referring.

Other than that, I appreciate the warm welcome. Are you the official sheriff or just something you've taken up on your own?






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AA is a sore point for many of us but lets move on.
I started with a Montille and a Monbrison to drive LaScala IIs and Velodyne subs. Replacing a MC2200 and a pair of MC275's. A huge improvement for my ears (and trust me, I'm no expert). Then I swapped the Monbrison for Masseto. A wonderful step forward, especially with analog. Next came a pair of Devore O/96s. That was amazing. The Klipschs were great but now we're talking!
Lastly came trade the Montille for a Cortese and that really was the last pc to the puzzle for me. A wonderful combo that when I do find time to listen to continues to amaze every time. I will most likely stay at this level for a long time. Entry level Shindo will make you smile, then if you want to move up you will not be disappointed. As Audiophiles we always tend to overanalyze everything.
Just pick a record and shut up.
 
Kev313

I have read through all of the Shindo threads, many with amusement about being banned. In the end the longer term members of this forum have tried to have multiple threads about the merits of Shindo's gear as opposed to other brands. In each in every thread banned members from another forum have joined in and told us that we have hearing problems, judgement problems or that "our equipment" was not up to the standard to be used with Shindo gear. That is not how I thought we operated here and if I am wrong then Mike will tell me. You like what you like, but others don't or would like to try but the distributor is telling them they can't or are a liar when they said that the combo they heard worked. You guys can be fan boys all you want, but use some degree of moderation. Many of us have been doing this as long or longer that you have and listen first before we judge.

As to your "sheriff" comment, I actually was one for 32 years, but that has nothing to do with anything audio related. I just don't like "fanboys."
 
Jack said:
Paul

Giscours, though the Monbrison looks like it might fill the bill as well. Either one is in the future though. Next step, in that setup once I get the appropriate speakers might be the new Primaluna Preamp to go with the Music Reference amp. Retiree's have to take small steps.
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Thanks Jack. I like to own the Vosne - Roamnee. Wondering how much different you will hear vs the Giscours .
 
Paul

I may never get that high up the chain on their preamps, but I would suspect it would be just a step up in refinement and cost.
 
Jack said:
Kev313

I have read through all of the Shindo threads, many with amusement about being banned. In the end the longer term members of this forum have tried to have multiple threads about the merits of Shindo's gear as opposed to other brands. In each in every thread banned members from another forum have joined in and told us that we have hearing problems, judgement problems or that "our equipment" was not up to the standard to be used with Shindo gear. That is not how I thought we operated here and if I am wrong then Mike will tell me. You like what you like, but others don't or would like to try but the distributor is telling them they can't or are a liar when they said that the combo they heard worked. You guys can be fan boys all you want, but use some degree of moderation. Many of us have been doing this as long or longer that you have and listen first before we judge.

As to your "sheriff" comment, I actually was one for 32 years, but that has nothing to do with anything audio related. I just don't like "fanboys."
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That's very well said. Jack. As long as we respect each other's comments and their gears it's all good here in AS.
 
Mike said:
This is a nice system. What speakers are those with all that Shindo gear? :)

https://pitchperfectaudio.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/customer-music-system-dean-k-san-francisco-ca/
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lmao !!! i love it,

i dont see why we cant have an adult discussion of why people cant buy some shindo amps and upgrade theri speakers later when funds permit and maybe add a shindo pre down the road, and maybe not. its a very valid discussion and shouldnt turn into a bunch of arguments . can we grow up and discuss this like big boys and girls,without getting this thread closed.
i personally think it stinks that you cant buy shindo amps without having what speaker the distributor tells you to have. its just silly.system approach is one thing but not allowing someone to upgrade slowly to where they want to be is just...... i dont even know what that is. my friend has western elec amps and really likes his amps and has shindo speakers but prefers running them with his other speakers(not saying what kind so i dont start another war). he had a shindo pre(not sure which one) as well and didnt like it as much as others and sold it on and bought another brand and is much happier. eventually he might sell me his amps if i like them. because to him they are not the end all be all audio product people tend to make them out to be. i am going to hear them in a week or 2. because of this discussion i would run them with every kind and any kind of speaker i can find except shindo.yes im vindictive that way.lol. im sure i can find a great match, with my ears and not measurements or being told what to buy. im waiting on an allnic 300b amp to arrive soon and from all the listening of all the amps i heard until now i havent found anything at any price that i want more than this moderately priced amp . and that includes up the allnic line as well. although i havent heard the new dht stuff yet either.
part of me hopes i like these shindo amps, and because of things like this, part of me hopes i dont like it as well.
the last line in Dales post above sums it up for me very nicely as well. lmao!!! well said katoomer!!
with that said i sent off my cary amps today and have no music until my new amp arrives in a couple weeks, its a sad day in my house. :sigh:
 
Jack when you use the terms like fanboy you are offending people. Saying we are following our leader is offensive. I have never said shindo is better or worse then any other brand.

All I know is that with my modest setup that the tone, timber and pace work so well for me and what I look for in music. As I have added bits and pieces that have completed my system it has all began to make sense sonically. The bst and pieces being cables, suts and cartridges that have been recommended to me either through forums, dealers, distributors or reading art's eloquent writing.

I started with mix and match. Shindo pre and a mc 275 amp with transparent cables. Each shindo, a23 or emt bit I have added has made more and more sonic sense.

Each to his own. Forums are about sharing what we have learned.

With respect from a shindo sect member/fanboy/guru follower/cool aid drinker...
 
I missed most of the fireworks on the thread that was evidently completely deleted. I guess there was a good reason.

It seems that many have opinions on Shindo, both informed and obviously uninformed. It seems many have opinions about this brand who have never heard or experienced the Shindo sound or flavor. That doesn't seem to stop people from posting what in retrospect are statements they regret. Maybe that is the reason a previous thread was not just closed, but deleted.

As to the fact that the systematic approach to Shindo among not only it's dealers but it's importer is preached to all prospective consumers has irked many on this site as well as another site I really am amazed you would get upset. Maybe it's because you all are used to dealers who are only too quick to lead you on and make the sale.

How many times have you bought a product and realized shortly thereafter you were not satisfied. You wind up selling it at a loss and move on to something else. Maybe if the proper approach was taken in the first place this could have been avoided.

I also think many are in the hobby for different reasons. There are the gear junkies and swappers, ready to try any and everything and experience as much possible equipment as time and money allows. Then there are the music lovers, searching endlessly for the best possible musical experience. I believe the happy Shindo end user falls into the latter category. The former end user will never be happy with Shindo or anything as the game and keeping score are completely different.

This is one of many reasons that Shindo forums become rather combative. Two completely different methods of approaching the hobby. I'm not saying which is right or wrong, just different.

Synergy is the key to excellent results, whether in high end audio, building a great car or bike or even creating a wonderful meal and wine combination. The pairings are what makes the all the parts work properly.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and has their own taste but to carry on arguments with experts in their fields, when they are only trying to help does not make sense to me.

My Shindo experience has been nothing but stellar and wish I had run across this type of importer and dealer network many years ago.
 
Jack said:
Kev313

I have read through all of the Shindo threads, many with amusement about being banned. In the end the longer term members of this forum have tried to have multiple threads about the merits of Shindo's gear as opposed to other brands. In each in every thread banned members from another forum have joined in and told us that we have hearing problems, judgement problems or that "our equipment" was not up to the standard to be used with Shindo gear. That is not how I thought we operated here and if I am wrong then Mike will tell me. You like what you like, but others don't or would like to try but the distributor is telling them they can't or are a liar when they said that the combo they heard worked. You guys can be fan boys all you want, but use some degree of moderation. Many of us have been doing this as long or longer that you have and listen first before we judge.

As to your "sheriff" comment, I actually was one for 32 years, but that has nothing to do with anything audio related. I just don't like "fanboys."
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Well that certainly helps explain your comments regarding rule following and what seems to be an aggressive approach to having others adjust their behavior to your expectations. I'm just having a hard time figuring out whether you are speaking to me specifically or me as a proxy for Shindo. In either case, I'd encourage you to read the Shindo threads with an eye for detail instead of amusement, back yourself up 2 pages, and read my earlier comments. You might then realize that I really don't personally dispute that you have every right to enjoy whatever system you want and I'm certainly no fanboy. I think it's ok to disagree. I mean, if I do something a different way that sort of implies that I disagree with your approach, right? No great controversy there. If you just read the post of mine to which you are responding, you should realize that I, too, have listened and let my ears be the judge.

Am I a fanboy because I now, as of this year, NINE years after my first Shindo purchase, have come around to the dealer POV and use Shindo speakers? Ok, but that seems more like a convenient mechanism to allow the rest of the anti Shindo narrative to operate. But, hey, maintaining order is important. And, after all, if you can't have bad guys, you can't have good guys.

Truly though, enjoy your system. Whatever it is. I don't begrudge you that. I think I may have mentioned that. A few pages back. Details. Pfft. Details....




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Petro85 said:
lmao !!! i love it,

i dont see why we cant have an adult discussion of why people cant buy some shindo amps and upgrade theri speakers later when funds permit and maybe add a shindo pre down the road, and maybe not. its a very valid discussion and shouldnt turn into a bunch of arguments . can we grow up and discuss this like big boys and girls,without getting this thread closed.
i personally think it stinks that you cant buy shindo amps without having what speaker the distributor tells you to have. its just silly.system approach is one thing but not allowing someone to upgrade slowly to where they want to be is just...... i dont even know what that is. my friend has western elec amps and really likes his amps and has shindo speakers but prefers running them with his other speakers(not saying what kind so i dont start another war). he had a shindo pre(not sure which one) as well and didnt like it as much as others and sold it on and bought another brand and is much happier. eventually he might sell me his amps if i like them. because to him they are not the end all be all audio product people tend to make them out to be. i am going to hear them in a week or 2. because of this discussion i would run them with every kind and any kind of speaker i can find except shindo.yes im vindictive that way.lol. im sure i can find a great match, with my ears and not measurements or being told what to buy. im waiting on an allnic 300b amp to arrive soon and from all the listening of all the amps i heard until now i havent found anything at any price that i want more than this moderately priced amp . and that includes up the allnic line as well. although i havent heard the new dht stuff yet either.
part of me hopes i like these shindo amps, and because of things like this, part of me hopes i dont like it as well.
the last line in Dales post above sums it up for me very nicely as well. lmao!!! well said katoomer!!
with that said i sent off my cary amps today and have no music until my new amp arrives in a couple weeks, its a sad day in my house. :sigh:
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Petro - I've purchased Shindo three amps from Pitch Perfect: Montille, Montrachet, and GM70 (actually Montille may have been from JH direct before he had dealers and picked up at Ultimate AV in IL when they first came on). In any case, I owned Cain and Cain, Tannoy, and Tannoy speakers, respectively, when I bought those amps. The dealers will probably tell you what speakers you should have. They will probably also have a hard time selling to you if you intend to use it on speakers and the combination simply will not work from a purely objective standpoint. Other than that, this new rumor about Shindo not being available to Tannoy owners does not comport with my experience. Again, you may be advised it is not ideal, but isn't that their job?


Edit: BTW, I also had an Allnic 300b amp on PHY-HP based Musical Affairs speakers in my second system for almost three years, and sold it just a few months ago. I'd be happy to comment to you on that amp if you had any questions.


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Jack said:
Kev313

I have read through all of the Shindo threads, many with amusement about being banned. In the end the longer term members of this forum have tried to have multiple threads about the merits of Shindo's gear as opposed to other brands. In each in every thread banned members from another forum have joined in and told us that we have hearing problems, judgement problems or that "our equipment" was not up to the standard to be used with Shindo gear. That is not how I thought we operated here and if I am wrong then Mike will tell me. You like what you like, but others don't or would like to try but the distributor is telling them they can't or are a liar when they said that the combo they heard worked. You guys can be fan boys all you want, but use some degree of moderation. Many of us have been doing this as long or longer that you have and listen first before we judge.

As to your "sheriff" comment, I actually was one for 32 years, but that has nothing to do with anything audio related. I just don't like "fanboys."
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Jack, I would just like to respectfully ask you, have you heard a Shindo system, any Shindo system ever?
 
kev313 said:
Petro - I've purchased Shindo three amps from Pitch Perfect: Montille, Montrachet, and GM70 (actually Montille may have been from JH direct before he had dealers and picked up at Ultimate AV in IL when they first came on). In any case, I owned Cain and Cain, Tannoy, and Tannoy speakers, respectively, when I bought those amps. The dealers will probably tell you what speakers you should have. They will probably also have a hard time selling to you if you intend to use it on speakers and the combination simply will not work from a purely objective standpoint. Other than that, this new rumor about Shindo not being available to Tannoy owners does not comport with my experience. Again, you may be advised it is not ideal, but isn't that their job?



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That they will not sell to you is ridiculous. That they will tell you your system will not perform well is more accurate. Honesty is good.
 
Jack, I didn't "brag."
Frankly that's offensive.
Perhaps that's your interpretation, but you should be sensitive in assuming that was someone's motivation.

Looking at your comment to Kev313, if you want to know about Shindo, then don't try to alienate the actual owners of the gear who can give you knowledgeable responses.
 
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Yes If the dealer had a chance to hear that amps with my speakers in my own room.

Note ( Not to you Kev ) : Again I did NOT have any problem to buying shindo gears with my speakers just for the record. However I don't like to some one telling me what to do with my own money, gears and my taste. That's all.
 
And my banning wasn't about Shindo. It was about the lack of transparency and poor business ethics that I couldn't be associated with. I don't care who uses what gear.

There are many different stereo philosophies, and I found mine. But this is just for fun.
 
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