Where's all the Shindo owners?

Thx. I bought a marcher pair of 300b tubes from 1954; curious how they well sound...
 
Richard, Your posting and pictures on Matt's site really got me lusting for the PL... Now it's the 300b.

I need a second job.
 
rower said:
Hi, I am here from being banned at AA for pointing out that one of the moderators writing reviews of the gear being sold by the owner wouldn't point out that he was paid (or unpaid)!
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Ha... That sounds familiar! Oh well... No great loss. I pity anyone who buys from Ivan. I asked him a question about an Esoteric product once and received a totally incorrect answer. He was totally uniformed about his product. He follows the "it's shiny, buy it," approach to audio sales and system design. So much money, so little taste. Hey - credit to the guy... He actually found a way to get people to pay money to look at pictures of his garish audio systems, watches, and cars without them figuring out that they have actually contributed to his ability to buy that stuff. Genius.




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I meant to post this elsewhere, in response to a post about "Shindo leaders," but I missed my window. Posted here as it applies:

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not on AA anymore, but it really doesn't have anything to do with Shindo. Shindo was just the vehicle. In truth, it was a personality conflict. It could have happened on a Zanden or Rowland or JBL or any other forum for a brand I appreciate. I just happened to think that JDandy and masterLu are bullies and horses asses and I enjoyed pointing that out. Honestly, I couldn't stop myself. Being banned was bound to happen.

As to Shindo, and I've pointed this out before, as far as I know there is only one guy on this forum or the other who can claim to have a published letter to 6moons criticizing the actions of Shindo. That would be....me.

So there you are. Am I a blind fanboy? No, obviously not and with the google results to prove it.... So please, stow the commentary. It's not a religion. But it can be a systematic approach to hifi and it is one that appeals to me on multiple levels. Was I a Shindo / Tannoy owner? Yes. And it didn't totally suck. But I put my past money where my present mouth is and I can confirm that that way ... How can I put this in an unobjectionable way... Wasn't for me after I heard my 604 FC. But I've always really been a low watt, high efficiency guy. I simply lost my way with Tannoy (I had Yorkminsters). Say what you will, IMNSHO, those are made for SS.

In short, at the end of the day, I realized that the Shindo system approach works best for me. That doesn't mean boo about your system or a naim system or anything else. Not relevant.



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kev313 said:
I meant to post this elsewhere, in response to a post about "Shindo leaders," but I missed my window. Posted here as it applies:

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not on AA anymore, but it really doesn't have anything to do with Shindo. Shindo was just the vehicle. In truth, it was a personality conflict. It could have happened on a Zanden or Rowland or JBL or any other forum for a brand I appreciate. I just happened to think that JDandy and masterLu are bullies and horses asses and I enjoyed pointing that out. Honestly, I couldn't stop myself. Being banned was bound to happen.

As to Shindo, and I've pointed this out before, as far as I know there is only one guy on this forum or the other who can claim to have a published letter to 6moons criticizing the actions of Shindo. That would be....me.

So there you are. Am I a blind fanboy? No, obviously not and with the google results to prove it.... So please, stow the commentary. It's not a religion. But it can be a systematic approach to hifi and it is one that appeals to me on multiple levels. Was I a Shindo / Tannoy owner? Yes. And it didn't totally suck. But I put my past money where my present mouth is and I can confirm that that way ... How can I put this in an unobjectionable way... Wasn't for me after I heard my 604 FC. But I've always really been a low watt, high efficiency guy. I simply lost my way with Tannoy (I had Yorkminsters). Say what you will, IMNSHO, those are made for SS.

In short, at the end of the day, I realized that the Shindo system approach works best for me. That doesn't mean boo about your system or a naim system or anything else. Not relevant.



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welcome aboard the shark Kev. im happy to read that you understand that not everyone likes the same type of gear, and people have their own opinions of what they think is good and just ok, or not good. if someone likes shindo/tannoy, or anything/bose that is their opinion and i always respect that. i dont have to agree but i respect it.
i am a reformed big tube watt guy getting into low watt/ high efficiency over the last few months. and am looking for speakers that i can run my new incoming gear with. but im in no rush because i want to find the right speakers. and what i have now will do the job just fine until im ready.
the other thread is getting uncivilized and i wanted to get away from reading it. i also was a member of AA for a minute until i realized it was all just one big sales pitch. then i found this place as it was just beginning, and found my happy audio family atmosphere and i never went back.
the shark rules!!!!
anyway im ona speaker quest now that im happy with my other stuff(for now) what are you running?? and how would they do on 12.5w??
 
Kev - welcome to Audioshark. Just so I understand (and I don't have the history of your posts on the other forum), but just so I understand - are you saying that you once didn't believe Shindo was a system approach, but now you do? And if so, what was it that changed your opinion? I'm just curious.
 
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Kev - welcome to Audioshark. Just so I understand (and I don't have the history of your posts on the other forum), but just so I understand - are you saying that you once didn't believe Shindo was a system approach, but now you do? And if so, what was it that changed your opinion? I'm just curious.
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Mike, For strictly audio purposes, I don't believe that Shindo has to be a *Shindo* system approach. I DO believe that one can only realize the full potential of Shindo amplification with high efficiency, high impedance speakers. If not Shindo, A23, phy-hp based speakers, or vintage Altecs. I do not feel that my Shindo amps performed to their potential with either Devore Super 8, Nines, or Tannoy. YMMV and, if it does, g@d bless...enjoy what you have and spend your extra cash on something else. And, honestly, I'm awfully tired of arguing about the *right* approach. Conspiratorial minds will think what they will, but I'd wager that Shindo would rather see a customer buy a vintage (non Shindo) pair of Altec 604 than a modern tannoy. I appreciate this position by the manufacturer. Clearly, many do not. That is understandable. We all think that we are very good at this hifi business and are probably hard wired to distrust manufacturer claims that could be construed to be made in their own interest. I happen to think that this position costs Shindo more that it makes them in bundled sales, but others are free to disagree, whether they have facts to support their position or not.

As to an all Shindo chain, yes, I feel it represents one of the best uses of Shindo amplification in pure audio terms. My system...interested parties please read as MY system, as in for ME.. also provides me with pleasure outside of the audio realm. I'm well aware that this has the capacity to upset many people, but a full Shindo system pleases me in the same way that a sculpture or painting does. It is a fully realized piece of art, performing its function as the artist intended. Many do not subscribe to this theory of music reproduction as art. I do. I find it subjective enough to appreciate on this level. It enhances my listening - and my living - experience. I can also appreciate the point of view of those who would prefer to spend far FAR less to receive a not insubstantial level of performance. I, too, have a "value" system for that purpose. One need not spend over $100,000 to get good audio. I get that. I did, but I receive ... more from my Shindo system. Similarly I maintain a vintage McIntosh / JBl Metregon system which appeals to me in a different way.

Again, I appreciate that this is controversial in audio forums where one can legitimately argue the audio virtues of 1k vs a 50k DAC. Like those who say that they can enjoy Tannoy speakers with Shindo, I could not give a flying crap what anyone thinks about my approach. It was derided as a cult on the Esoteric / Wireworld forum.... I mean AA. I call it art and in enhances my life as such.

*OR* you can just buy the dang preamp or amp and use it with what you've got, because it is damn fine plain old audio equipment (gears?) too.




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Petro85 said:
welcome aboard the shark Kev. im happy to read that you understand that not everyone likes the same type of gear, and people have their own opinions of what they think is good and just ok, or not good. if someone likes shindo/tannoy, or anything/bose that is their opinion and i always respect that. i dont have to agree but i respect it.
i am a reformed big tube watt guy getting into low watt/ high efficiency over the last few months. and am looking for speakers that i can run my new incoming gear with. but im in no rush because i want to find the right speakers. and what i have now will do the job just fine until im ready.
the other thread is getting uncivilized and i wanted to get away from reading it. i also was a member of AA for a minute until i realized it was all just one big sales pitch. then i found this place as it was just beginning, and found my happy audio family atmosphere and i never went back.
the shark rules!!!!
anyway im ona speaker quest now that im happy with my other stuff(for now) what are you running?? and how would they do on 12.5w??
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Hey Petro - As I just detailed, I'm probably an ideal candidate for poster boy for "do it YOUR way" audio. I think I can disagree with someone's approach, but certainly not whether they like it or not. Anyway...my speakers are Shindo 604 field coils. They'd do fine on 12.5w or 2.5w. But I've heard lots of speakers that would do fine with low watts. In fact, I didn't use more than 8w for about 10 years and until I first got Into Shindo. I was strictly 300b, 45, 2a3 territory. Lots of Klipsch, Oris, and DIY back then.


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I think its refreshing to have a distributor/dealer do his job- ie. point out bad matches and help customers. That is why you pay up for Shindo gear and it tends to work better. And a weekend demo often won't allow enough time to find what's wrong with a particular combination.

My first Shindo experience had some similarities- Jonathan originally recommended monoblocks on my 101db Zu Def2 speakers as they were multi-driver speakers rated into 6 ohms (the EL34s or GM70s). I couldn't afford them at the time. Matt believed a Haut Brion might work at 20w p/p, but in the end the 16ohm transformer just didn't work well. The amp wasn't dynamic enough in my largish room. We tried everything including new speaker cables and Shindo ICs but to no avail. I will say its an absolute pleasure to work with Matt and the Shindo guys. They DO know what they are doing.

Shindo is pretty much the Spectral of tubes- if you aren't prepared to go with the system approach, best not to go in this direction.

KeithR

ps. my later version MKIVs are 8 ohms, so would probably work much better with Shindo in general
 
Being heavily into Naim a few years back, I understand a system approach and highly respect a company that realistically will say that their product doesn't work with other products. It's hard to turn down sales.
 
the professor said:
Being heavily into Naim a few years back, I understand a system approach and highly respect a company that realistically will say that their product doesn't work with other products. It's hard to turn down sales.
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Big +1. Totally agree. That is very rare in todays market and shows integrity and honesty, sometimes resulting in a lost sale.
 
I am the same way regarding the system approach. Besides loving the low watt high efficiency approach, it just removes any worries for me too.

I am putting in a quad esl57 system in another location as the house is a very small mid century modern jewel box where bigger speakers won't fit.
 
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