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Hi Peter,

As a member of both AS and WBF, I would like to say I accept your apology and welcome back. I greatly enjoy your AVShowrooms website and it has given me the opportunity to sample a lot of components that I've never had the opportunity to hear in person. Nice job! As a fellow Raidho owner and fan, I hope to once again read some of your Raidho posts, as the Raidho threads have kind of gone cold lately.

All the best,
Ken
 
And I thought I could always come here for a brief respite from threads such as this on other sites. I hope this doesn't become another +200 post thread on the topic.
 
still-one said:
And I thought I could always come here for a brief respite from threads such as this on other sites. I hope this doesn't become another +200 post thread on the topic.
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Thread management and guidance is an art form. Mike (site owner here) knows this and is very good at it.

Peter B.
 
Double-D said:
Lets see, it's been 47 years since I purchased my first quality components and I have been at this ever since so I guess I can be considered an audio enthusiast. I enjoy music for pleasure and relaxation. For the past nine years I have posted to numerous audio forums for entertainment, curiosity, comradery, and fun. I have read audio publications since the '60's and web based publications for about tens years, strictly for entertainment. None have been scholarly journals by any stretch of the imagination. Although it isn't vital to my personal happiness, it is amusing to be entertained by other's opinions whether I agree with them or not.

For me, high-end audio is a hobby, an enjoyable pastime, a luxury diversion from the repetitive normalcy of daily life. When my association with others in this hobby turns fun into controversy and conflict I simply remove myself from the pool. The good thing about this hobby is it can be enjoyed in complete solitude. Quite frankly, I don't need anyone as a guide to be able to fully embrace the joy of my sound systems in all their glorious intricacies. When fun is diminished to bickering what is the point of participating?

Breathe in, breathe out, relax those aching bones and try remembering why we spend so much discretionary income on our sound systems. It certainly isn't about winning an argument or jamming a point of view down someone's throat, at least not the way I view it. It's about the enjoyment of music reproduction in our homes, our sanctuaries from the world's madness. In perspective to truly serious issues, personal differences about audio gear don't even approach the importance of a single raindrop falling into the ocean.
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This is exactly what we all should be thinking and doing.
 
Myles-Your graphs are some of the best graphs I have ever seen on an audio forum!
 
A pie chart that No one will argue with. Well maybe I'm being overly optimistic.

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See anyone can post lots of graphs and charts.

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Double-D said:
Lets see, it's been 47 years since I purchased my first quality components and I have been at this ever since so I guess I can be considered an audio enthusiast. I enjoy music for pleasure and relaxation. For the past nine years I have posted to numerous audio forums for entertainment, curiosity, comradery, and fun. I have read audio publications since the '60's and web based publications for about tens years, strictly for entertainment. None have been scholarly journals by any stretch of the imagination. Although it isn't vital to my personal happiness, it is amusing to be entertained by other's opinions whether I agree with them or not.

For me, high-end audio is a hobby, an enjoyable pastime, a luxury diversion from the repetitive normalcy of daily life. When my association with others in this hobby turns fun into controversy and conflict I simply remove myself from the pool. The good thing about this hobby is it can be enjoyed in complete solitude. Quite frankly, I don't need anyone as a guide to be able to fully embrace the joy of my sound systems in all their glorious intricacies. When fun is diminished to bickering what is the point of participating?

Breathe in, breathe out, relax those aching bones and try remembering why we spend so much discretionary income on our sound systems. It certainly isn't about winning an argument or jamming a point of view down someone's throat, at least not the way I view it. It's about the enjoyment of music reproduction in our homes, our sanctuaries from the world's madness. In perspective to truly serious issues, personal differences about audio gear don't even approach the importance of a single raindrop falling into the ocean.
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Well said, Dan! I couldn't agree more. I'm here to learn about music and the gear and software that brings me to closer to what I love. I'm not here to win a pissing contest with anyone. I actively filter out any discussion/thread that doesn't add to my enjoyment of the above.

Good to see you back, Peter. Hope to see you post more often here on AS!
 
Apology accepted Peter. While I did not like what you did at all or the way you did it, I did try to see where you were coming from. I take responsibility for my share of shortcomings on the failure of moderation. I was always the laxest one. I've always gone by the "if you can dish it, you should be able to take it" philosophy and as such always let both sides get their licks in before stepping in. Ice Hockey refereeing.

As to why I resigned as a moderator and have stopped going to WBF, that is another story for another time.
 
Myles B. Astor said:
Here are some useful charts and graphs that one should commit to memory.

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Since we are discussing science based observations I think it is important to point out that being right and getting lucky have a correlation coefficient of 1.0 (i.e., perfect corelation.) This may provide further evidence regarding the origin of our strange lust for audio. At least we can blame it on something.
 
Sorry to turn the thread away from the joking, just want to make a couple points.

Peter Breuninger said:
Measurements are mandatory in designing audio equipment, not in experiencing it. I learned this years ago as a proponent of SET amplifiers. Their high output impedances cause frequency aberrations with difficult loudspeaker loads. This is bad. But, they sound very good despite this. I have learned to have a very open mind when it comes to reviewing audio equipment. Synergistic Research products have real sonic effects or the company would not be in business. Like years ago, when I would ask someone (an SET opponent) when did he/she hear an SET based system? The answer was... I don't have to hear one to know that it sounds bad, just look at how they measure (or in this case, can't measure).
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You do realize that's a perfect example of why measurements, hard data, are valuable to end consumers making potential purchasing decisions? Frequency non-linearities in tube-amps induced by impedance swings are easily measurable, instead they just get written off typically as "synergy", when the end result could be easily predicted with proper knowledge. In fact, we started a thread about this very topic recently on AudioCircle

Why output impedance matters

Same thing with the HFTs, listen for yourself. I also believe that each of us processes sound uniquely due to our different life auditory experiences. I've heard many audio systems and components over a very long time period. These experiences are the base for my reviews. It does not matter to me if you except or reject my methodologies. It only matters if I except them, and I do. You cannot measure happiness.
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While I get your point, you seem to be missing the most important one. You're producing a product, your reviews. If your consumers want something more tangible than just opinion, should you not strive to give that to them? The goal of a review isn't to tell people what you think, the goal is to give the reader the information they need to decide if THEY will like it.
 
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