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Anybody who pokes their nose into WBF to see what is going on there knows there are much deeper problems than what Peter is apologizing for on this thread. One of the founding members (Steve Williams) is openly fighting against the other founding member (Amir). WBF needs to call in an exorcist because there are definitely some dark spirits there causing some bad mojo. And yes, there are people leaving WBF because of what is happening and they are the ones that WBF (at least half of the ownership) really doesn't want to lose as members.
 
Are you justifying Peter's malfeasance by blaming it on Amir and Steve Williams :rolleyes: what does one have to do with the other , Peter was way out of line ....
 
mauidan said:
"What it all boils down to for me, this hobby is shrinking."

2015 T.H.E. Show Newport Wrap Up - T.H.E Show Newport

The numbers are IN – on its 5th Anniversary, T.H.E. Show Newport exceeded its own record-breaking figures. In all categories, T.H.E. Show experienced over 8,500 attendees, exhibitors and guests. This exceeds the 2014 total by 1,300.

T.H.E. Show Newport has grown every year since the first ribbon-cutting in 2011 in size and status. 406 separate companies exhibited at T.H.E. Show this year, with over 170 “live” demo exhibits, plus over 120 booths. Attendees came from over 30 states within the U.S., plus visitors from over 15 different countries around the globe, including but not limited to: 2 provinces in Canada, Australia, Brazil, China, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Netherlands, Singapore, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Vietnam and more.
Also increasing in size this year was the Los Angeles and Orange County Audio Society.

T.H.E. Show brought them an additional 163 members and helped stage the new “Audio University” Seminars. The Society easily now predicts a 2,000 person membership soon – unquestionably the largest such Society in the World.


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Well this is good to know ...... :)
 
a.wayne said:
Are you justifying Peter's malfeasance by blaming it on Amir and Steve Williams :rolleyes: what does one have to do with the other , Peter was way out of line ....
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I made no correlation between the two and I said nothing that would remotely indicate that I was justifying what Peter said so I don't know why you are trying to lay that trip on me. What I said was clearly stated in my post and what Peter said was clearly stated in his opening post on this thread. Whatever problems/concerns you have with Peter, please take them up with him.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Peter, I want to make the following point as respectfully as possible, but I am afraid making my point and not creating controversy may be mutuly exclusive propositions. For that I apoligize in advance but I think the point is an important one for you to understand.

I have mentioned in other conversations on this forum , while I think you are a great guy and do some good work I think you take subjectivism to an extreme, much to you detriment. Frankly, your motivation for doing so IMO deserves scrutiny.

An example would be picking Synergistic Research Hft as product of the year. You not only gave it a good review but awarded it product of the year. This kind of work absolutely mystifies me and deeply cuts against your credibility as a reviewer or a poster on this or any forum. If you are going to do these kind of things you darn well better have a thick skin and be prepared for all kind of snake oil type criticism. IMO, it is this kind of subjective, charlatanical spin from an otherwise apparently credible source which gives our hobby a very bad image.

If if you can give me an iota of evidence be it scienticly based objectivism or double blind subjectivisim that the Hft works as you say I will offer you my utmost and sincere apology for this post. As an aside, I am not a member at WBF now or have ever been in the past.

Like I said Peter, I like you and I want to like your stuff but I am not surprised objectivists have some very deep trust issues.
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Hi Paul,

Thank you for a well crafted post.

I call em as I hear them. I suggest you install a full HFT set and report back. I was very skeptical of them when they were installed. I said this in the video. I took the viewer with me as I experienced the effect. That's what I do. I listen with my ears. I do not rely upon measurements to make subjective opinions. If for example, I published a waterfall chart of the before and after and it was identical, it would not change my opinion of the effect.

Measurements are mandatory in designing audio equipment, not in experiencing it. I learned this years ago as a proponent of SET amplifiers. Their high output impedances cause frequency aberrations with difficult loudspeaker loads. This is bad. But, they sound very good despite this. I have learned to have a very open mind when it comes to reviewing audio equipment. Synergistic Research products have real sonic effects or the company would not be in business. Like years ago, when I would ask someone (an SET opponent) when did he/she hear an SET based system? The answer was... I don't have to hear one to know that it sounds bad, just look at how they measure (or in this case, can't measure).

Same thing with the HFTs, listen for yourself. I also believe that each of us processes sound uniquely due to our different life auditory experiences. I've heard many audio systems and components over a very long time period. These experiences are the base for my reviews. It does not matter to me if you except or reject my methodologies. It only matters if I except them, and I do. You cannot measure happiness.
 
Peter, Thank you for your response and I appreciate both your civility and conviction. While I wholeheartedly agree with your general point about measurements, I disagree strongly with the specific examples you reference. Science ultimately explains everything in the physical world and just because someone is measuring the wrong metric in making a conclusion about a particular aspect of the human neurological apparatus does not refute this identity.

It is generally known and accepted that the human brain (at least for many) reacts more favorably to even order (second) harmonic distortion than odd order. This among other things is behind higher distortion SET amps being preferred by many (including me; see my preference for Dos Harmonic in my Signature below). This is a science based, testable observation that has been studied by the scientific community. It is NOT comparable to what the Hft is purported to do which has no basis what so ever in any known scientific theory beyond placebo (at least that I am aware; that said, I am always in pursuit of enlightenment).
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Peter, Thank you for your response and I appreciate both your civility and conviction. While I wholeheartedly agree with your general point about measurements, I disagree strongly with the specific examples you reference. Science ultimately explains everything in the physical world and just because someone is measuring the wrong metric in making a conclusion about a particular aspect of the human neurological apparatus does not refute this identity.

It is generally known and accepted that the human brain (at least for many) reacts more favorably to even order (second) harmonic distortion than odd order. This among other things is behind higher distortion SET amps being preferred by many (including me; see my preference for Dos Harmonic in my Signature below). This is a science based, testable observation that has been studied by the scientific community. It is NOT comparable to what the Hft is purported to do which has no basis what so ever in any known scientific theory beyond placebo (at least that I am aware; that said, I am always in pursuit of enlightenment).
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Ok, we agree to disagree. I just use my ears and my experiences. You rely on more, nothing at all wrong with that. Neither of us will change the other's views. In cases like this I would call it, subject closed, not thread closed and move on to the enjoyment of fine audio.

How are the Raidhos sounding? Pics?

My best,

Peter B.
 
Lets see, it's been 47 years since I purchased my first quality components and I have been at this ever since so I guess I can be considered an audio enthusiast. I enjoy music for pleasure and relaxation. For the past nine years I have posted to numerous audio forums for entertainment, curiosity, comradery, and fun. I have read audio publications since the '60's and web based publications for about tens years, strictly for entertainment. None have been scholarly journals by any stretch of the imagination. Although it isn't vital to my personal happiness, it is amusing to be entertained by other's opinions whether I agree with them or not.

For me, high-end audio is a hobby, an enjoyable pastime, a luxury diversion from the repetitive normalcy of daily life. When my association with others in this hobby turns fun into controversy and conflict I simply remove myself from the pool. The good thing about this hobby is it can be enjoyed in complete solitude. Quite frankly, I don't need anyone as a guide to be able to fully embrace the joy of my sound systems in all their glorious intricacies. When fun is diminished to bickering what is the point of participating?

Breathe in, breathe out, relax those aching bones and try remembering why we spend so much discretionary income on our sound systems. It certainly isn't about winning an argument or jamming a point of view down someone's throat, at least not the way I view it. It's about the enjoyment of music reproduction in our homes, our sanctuaries from the world's madness. In perspective to truly serious issues, personal differences about audio gear don't even approach the importance of a single raindrop falling into the ocean.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Peter, Thank you for your response and I appreciate both your civility and conviction. While I wholeheartedly agree with your general point about measurements, I disagree strongly with the specific examples you reference. Science ultimately explains everything in the physical world and just because someone is measuring the wrong metric in making a conclusion about a particular aspect of the human neurological apparatus does not refute this identity.

It is generally known and accepted that the human brain (at least for many) reacts more favorably to even order (second) harmonic distortion than odd order. This among other things is behind higher distortion SET amps being preferred by many (including me; see my preference for Dos Harmonic in my Signature below). This is a science based, testable observation that has been studied by the scientific community. It is NOT comparable to what the Hft is purported to do which has no basis what so ever in any known scientific theory beyond placebo (at least that I am aware; that said, I am always in pursuit of enlightenment).
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One thing though-you are falling into the reductionist point of view and don't forget there are unpredictable synergies that occur especially in biological systems! :)
 
Peter

Sorry to hear things went sideways at WBF I left a few months back , So far I am not sorry I did. Too many fights . Their is always someone who does it it different that does not make it the right way or even a better way just his way and I am ok with that.

I am getting a little better at staying out of the mud at lest a little better I hope . Their is a mind set on what is right and if you stray far from what the posters think is right watch out.

I like your AV page and the amount of work you have put into it is amazing . The worst board I was ever on was The Absolute Sound but that was awhile ago maybe it is better now.
 
Peter Breuninger said:
Ok, we agree to disagree. I just use my ears and my experiences. You rely on more, nothing at all wrong with that. Neither of us will change the other's views. In cases like this I would call it, subject closed, not thread closed and move on to the enjoyment of fine audio.

How are the Raidhos sounding? Pics?

My best,

Peter B.
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Fair enough Peter, I have said my peace.
 
Be careful you guys, I'll start posting some graphs and charts! [emoji41]

P.S. Gotta run and buy my next car based on specs only. Test drives be damned!
 
Myles B. Astor said:
One thing though-you are falling into the reductionist point of view and don't forget there are unpredictable synergies that occur especially in biological systems! :)
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Hello Myles, If by reductionist you mean the "simple explanation" of all things, I disagree; if you mean "scientific explanation" of all things then I stand guilty as charged.

Regarding, biological systems, I hear you but someone somewhere please provide a modicum system based interrelation for this device. The manufacturer certainly doesn't and the prima facie evidence is extremely dubious to me.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Hello Myles, If by reductionist you mean the "simple explanation" of all things, I disagree; if you mean "scientific explanation" of all things then I stand guilty as charged.

Regarding, biological systems, I hear you but someone somewhere please provide a modicum system based interrelation for this device. The manufacturer certainly doesn't and the prima facie evidence is extremely dubious to me.
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What I meant is that if we can understand everything by breaking it down to it's most basic elements. :)
 
Mike said:
Oh Peter, it's only 2015!

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Hi Mike,

You know Paul has been very quietly been filling in the rest of his system and is now down to a mere table, arm and cartridge to finish his signature line. I personally can't wait to see these last 3 pieces slide in.

Best,
Ken
 
Mike said:
Be careful you guys, I'll start posting some graphs and charts! [emoji41]

P.S. Gotta run and buy my next car based on specs only. Test drives be damned!
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Here are some useful charts and graphs that one should commit to memory.

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