New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon

the professor said:
Have you ever listened to systems that have an active sub integrated in them? And which ones and where? There are many out there now. It's a growing trend.

And having owned about every Raidho speaker while Michael was there. The only way I could get the bass to work in my room was because of subs counter acting his bass.

That being said. Michael designed the Raidho speakers at a low volume level. So the extra bass he used was a loudness control. And it was great -- just not the volume that people in the USA listened to them. I still to this day love his work for low volume listening - basically background music.
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Once again, this is not about Michael Borresen, it is about the issues active bass presents, it is not a cure-all. And yes, I did hear a few such systems, most recently the Paradigm Persona. BTW, YG become much more enjoyable once they went all passive.
 
LVB said:
Once again, this is not about Michael Borresen, it is about the issues active bass presents, it is not a cure-all. And yes, I did hear a few such systems, most recently the Paradigm Persona. BTW, YG become much more enjoyable once they went all passive.
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I guess many people with active subs might not concur with your point of view.

E.g. AGs improved their performance significantly with the XD generation.

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Or maybe they do, but they just don't know it yet (aren't you auditioning new speakers ;))

But seriously, I have not yet heard such a setup that I liked, or should I say that the best bass performances I have heard are not form such systems. YMMV!
 
LVB said:
Once again, this is not about Michael Borresen, it is about the issues active bass presents, it is not a cure-all. And yes, I did hear a few such systems, most recently the Paradigm Persona. BTW, YG become much more enjoyable once they went all passive.
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Richard Vandersteen has successfully utilized active bass on his speakers for 40 years. I’ve had Apogee Duetta Signature, Aerial 10T, Magnepan 3.7, Revel Salon 2, Raidho D3 V2 and currently Vandersteen 7 Mk2 in my listening room. The bass was never truly right until I got the Vandersteen 7 Mk2 with its 11 band equalization and adjustable gain and Q curve.

Ken
 
Alpinist said:
Richard Vandersteen has successfully utilized active bass on his speakers for 40 years. I’ve had Apogee Duetta Signature, Aerial 10T, Magnepan 3.7, Revel Salon 2, Raidho D3 V2 and currently Vandersteen 7 Mk2 in my listening room. The bass was never truly right until I got the Vandersteen 7 Mk2 with its 11 band equalization and adjustable gain and Q curve.

Ken
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Doesn't the Vandersteen come with a line-level high-pass filter, which needs to be inserted in front of the main amplifier?
If so, that will make it (almost) a bi-amping active setup (smaller delay, if any, and much better integration). It is a completely different proposition.
 
LVB said:
Doesn't the Vandersteen come with a line-level high-pass filter, which needs to be inserted in front of the main amplifier?
If so, that will make it (almost) a bi-amping active setup (smaller delay, if any, and much better integration). It is a completely different proposition.
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Yes, the Vandersteen Mk2 utilize a high pass filter and are bi-amped. Each speaker has a 400 watt amplifier for twin 12 inch subwoofers. It is a concept that works extremely well.

Ken
 
LVB said:
Doesn't the Vandersteen come with a line-level high-pass filter, which needs to be inserted in front of the main amplifier?
If so, that will make it (almost) a bi-amping active setup (smaller delay, if any, and much better integration). It is a completely different proposition.
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I’m confused. My point about a separately powered low-end was bi-amping. You didn’t seem to like that, now you do? [emoji3]

The Lansches also do have double 10” woofers and a 1200 W power section each with a high pass filter. Similar concept, works equally well.

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u-sound said:
wasnt really speaking about AG.
are you skipping the lansches?
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Does it sound to you like Alpinist is planning on skipping the Vandersteens and I the Lansches?


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LOL --- seems like you are sensitive. I apologize.

Yes I know this has nothing to do with Michael. You brought him up and I responded with my experience.

LVB said:
Once again, this is not about Michael Borresen, it is about the issues active bass presents, it is not a cure-all. And yes, I did hear a few such systems, most recently the Paradigm Persona. BTW, YG become much more enjoyable once they went all passive.
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IME with voicing 3 of these models (no Gryphon yet) in systems to work best in the owners' rooms, without pointing out potential negatives, I have found the Magicos to consistently be more musically involving. This is stated as simply my observations (and yes, personal taste), not as some debatable fact.
 
KeithR said:
AJR, you can see writeups of most of the brands you're hearing on my huge speaker thread "elsewhere" as I went through the same search. I haven't had a chance to hear the Pantheon, though owe Philip O'Hanlon a visit - pandemic got in the way unfortunately.

If you have some criteria that you look for most in a speaker, that would be helpful for recommendations.
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Thanks Keith. I will check it out. I think I have given my best explanation of my criteria. Although having thought about it some more, given that my music ‘room’ doubles up as my lounge, a small footprint is probably an important variable.
 
Jim Smith said:
IME with voicing all of these models, without pointing out potential negatives, I have found the Magicos to consistently be more musically involving. This is stated as simply my observations (and yes, personal taste), not as some debatable fact.
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Jim, as you taught me, probably what I should focus on is the acoustics in my room.
 
Kuoppis said:
I’m confused. My point about a separately powered low-end was bi-amping. You didn’t seem to like that, now you do? [emoji3]

The Lansches also do have double 10” woofers and a 1200 W power section each with a high pass filter. Similar concept, works equally well.

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Maybe you are confused. These speakers "powered bass" portion is described as "powered subs." Lansche describes this line as "semi active." Nowhere have I found a word about a high pass active filter. Are you sure these speakers come with one (you know, you would put this in-front of your main amplifier, not the power subs :|)?
 
Have enjoyed this debate, but since I have no active speakers on my shortlist (was interested in Kuoppis’s Lansche but they do not make any more, so ruled out), maybe you blokes can get a room (:)). Am surprised at the lack of passion for the 4 different brands I proposed. I will solve by listening to them all.
 
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