New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon

Jim Smith said:
IME with voicing 3 of these models (no Gryphon yet) in systems to work best in the owners' rooms, without pointing out potential negatives, I have found the Magicos to consistently be more musically involving. This is stated as simply my observations (and yes, personal taste), not as some debatable fact.
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Jim, could you write a bit more about the M3's positive attributes, or what you heard from the system once you were finished voicing it? I am also curious about what amplifier the client is using with the M3s. Thanks.
 
I own M3. I didn't audition them, I just bought them. First time I saw a pair of M3 is when they arrived on my doorstep from the factory. I'm quite happy with them. I don't see any point in auditioning speakers, every speaker demo I've seen at a HiFi dealer has been underwhelming. Sometimes you just need to take a leap of faith, and with the M3 you can't go wrong (subject to the constraints of the room).
 
I bought my M2s the same way. I had heard the M3s and M6s - so I was def familiar with the M sound.

brodricj said:
I own M3. I didn't audition them, I just bought them. First time I saw a pair of M3 is when they arrived on my doorstep from the factory. I'm quite happy with them. I don't see any point in auditioning speakers, every speaker demo I've seen at a HiFi dealer has been underwhelming. Sometimes you just need to take a leap of faith, and with the M3 you can't go wrong (subject to the constraints of the room).
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Definitely realize that, not to mention room and electronics.

On the Tidal system I heard I didn't care about accurate, the piano was so sweet I was hypnotized. But I listen to a lot of different music with emphasis on Rock, I wish on an audition I could convince Doug to play something with some energy. I did hear Brian play his Tidal with Bricasti electronics, that was great as well and did show the Tidal speakers were some versatile. Of course, it's not like I could run out and buy Tidal anyway :)

Kuoppis said:
Don’t get me wrong, the Vimberg Mino was not bad at all. All views are based on personal preferences.

What sounds bloated or strained in the bass for one person might be just right for another. And where the highs stick out in one view, another person just hears all the details. Some people pay a lot of money for Wilsons, others say they sound colored. Again others swear by Magico, while some think they sound cold.


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PeterA said:
Jim, could you write a bit more about the M3's positive attributes, or what you heard from the system once you were finished voicing it? I am also curious about what amplifier the client is using with the M3s. Thanks.
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Peter,

Once I become intimately involved in the RoomPlay set-up music - in the music from tracks that I have probably played well over a thousand times, I'm done.

This happened more easily with the Magicos, perhaps because they were a bit more agile, tuneful, & dynamic, yet remaining more cohesive. The Magicos disappeared more easily as well, thereby assisting with the vital Presence effect.

The amps were D-Agostinos & another pair were CATs.

Both of the other speakers ended up with a much better performance than at the beginning. I was satisfied with what they delivered vs. how they performed at first.

As you know, I am there to make what the owner already has to perfrom at a much higher level. So I don't recommend product changes...

IMO, there's just something magical about those Magicos... :rolleyes:
 
Kuoppis said:
AJR, this might sound like a funny question, but have you considered the A5s?

Of course the M series is more prestigious, but how much more do you really get vs. the A series? If I would still be interested in Magicos, I would check them out.


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Interesting idea. I would be interested to know how the bass compares to the M3. Anyone?
 
The M series is more refined, but the A series has a lot of the same toe tapping characteristics as the M series.

Unless you have a really big room (like Huge) - the M2s are the way to go. They take the M6 tech in a much smaller and a lot less expensive package. They are in the same family as the M3s but IMO do it even better at a lesser cost.
 
So you are saying that (In my medium-size room) I will enjoy the bass of the M2s more than the M3s or the A5s?
 
Perhaps an ignorant question, but how is it possible that the 2x 7” woofers in the M2s kick ass when the M3s have 3x 7” woofers and the S3s have 2x 9” and the A5s have 3x 9” (!)? Genuinely curious. NB - am not talking overall coherence. I am talking bass.
 
Ah, you might be saying that the M2 delivers in it’s price point.
 
That is good enough for me! Still don’t understand how 2x 7” drivers achieve that, but ok!
 
Jock - did you try the M3s? Sorry if I missed that. If anyone on this thread has compared the two fairly, will the the M3s give more bass or will the more tech advanced M2s with their smaller surface woofer area deliver. Maybe the M3s but them it is a price point?
 
I've heard the M3s in a couple different rooms so I feel I know what they can do. I have also listened to the M2s in my room and also in show rooms. However, I have never listened to the M2s and M3s in the same room. If you listen at concert levels or more - then there is no doubt the M3s will play louder. But not more than 1-2db. 50% more surface area in the woofer gives you 1-2 db more sound pressure. Twice the surface area gives you a max of 3db more, so obviously 50% more is less than that.

Both have amazing control of the bass.



AJR said:
Jock - did you try the M3s? Sorry if I missed that. If anyone on this thread has compared the two fairly, will the the M3s give more bass or will the more tech advanced M2s with their smaller surface woofer area deliver. Maybe the M3s but them it is a price point?
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