New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon

LVB said:
Maybe you are confused. These speakers "powered bass" portion is described as "powered subs." Lansche describes this line as "semi active." Nowhere have I found a word about a high pass active filter. Are you sure these speakers come with one (you know, you would put this in-front of your main amplifier, not the power subs :|)?
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Had I known you’re so sensitive, I would would have treaded more carefully.

I must apologize, don’t want you to be unhappy.


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Kuoppis said:
Had I known you’re so sensitive, I would would have treaded more carefully.

I must apologize, don’t want you to be unhappy.


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Sensitive to nonsense, for sure, but I hope that now you at least know what you bought ;)
 
LVB said:
Sensitive to nonsense, for sure, but I hope that now you at least know what you bought ;)
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Apparently you have no clear understanding of what you are talking about. Just blabbering something picked up from a 3rd party source.

Read and try to learn. Just kidding, that would be hopeless. You can’t follow the maths anyway.

High-pass filter - Wikipedia

It’s just your insinuations are a bit nonsensical. Passing all frequencies to the sub would lead to a sound degradation. Therefore a high pass filter is used to filter out frequencies not to be passed to the sub, it does not matter where it sits. But you have made it abundantly clear you don’t understand that.

For this reason Lansche calls its concept a 2,5-way speaker, rather than 3-way.


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Jim and myself I thought showed a clear bias toward Magico. You are shopping out of my league but they would be at the top of my list. I would definitely audition the Gryphon speakers before making a decision, the all Gryphon system really had some synergy going on, turntable was the source and as stated some first class imaging displayed.

My experience with Vimberg was much more positive than posted here but I have not heard them or Tidal play anything complex or close to Rock.

I didn't really care for Yg until a couple years ago I heard an audition that sounded good. Wish I could remember the electronics. With that being said, just personal taste, wouldn't be on my list.

No Rockport experience.

You wanted to stay with the four, but, hey, you could get a set of JBL Everest's.

AJR said:
Have enjoyed this debate, but since I have no active speakers on my shortlist (was interested in Kuoppis’s Lansche but they do not make any more, so ruled out), maybe you blokes can get a room (:)). Am surprised at the lack of passion for the 4 different brands I proposed. I will solve by listening to them all.
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Kuoppis said:
Apparently you have no clear understanding of what you are talking about. Just blabbering something picked up from a 3rd party source.

Read and try to learn. Just kidding, that would be hopeless. You can’t follow the maths anyway.

High-pass filter - Wikipedia

It’s just your insinuations are a bit nonsensical. Passing all frequencies to the sub would lead to a sound degradation. Therefore a high pass filter is used to filter out frequencies not to be passed to the sub, it does not matter where it sits. But you have made it abundantly clear you don’t understand that.

For this reason Lansche calls its concept a 2,5-way speaker, rather than 3-way.


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:whoa: It is the other way around geniuses “A high-pass filter (HPF) is an electronic filter that passes signals with a frequency higher than a certain cutoff frequency.”
This should even make sense to you; "high–pass", you know, like "pass the highs"? And actually that is why they call it a 2.5 way, due to the fact that it does not even have a passive high-pass on the mid-bass. This speaker is even more compromised then I thought :wacko:
 
You can’t go wrong with either the Magico M3 or my personal favorite, the YG Acoustics Sonja 2.2. They are both terrific loudspeakers. I really enjoyed the Sonja 2.2 in the MSB room when they used them with the Select 2 DAC and M204 monoblocks. One of my all-time favorite show rooms.

Best,
Ken
 
yes but i bet the rockports do much more amazing bass.
again, i think all of them are excellent and due to the fact they all are years on the market it would depend on the deal mainly.
my wife would kill me for the gryphons in the livingroom (had to remove the alexias...no choice!!)
 
LVB said:
:whoa: It is the other way around geniuses “A high-pass filter (HPF) is an electronic filter that passes signals with a frequency higher than a certain cutoff frequency.”
This should even make sense to you; "high–pass", you know, like "pass the highs"? And actually that is why they call it a 2.5 way, due to the fact that it does not even have a passive high-pass on the mid-bass. This speaker is even more compromised then I thought :wacko:
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And that did not occur to you in case of the Vandersteens, where you praised the external high pass filter?

A high pass and a low pass filter does a similar thing as the crossover, regulating which frequencies are played by which driver. It’s not a difficult concept.


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Mr Peabody said:
My experience with Vimberg was much more positive than posted here but I have not heard them or Tidal play anything complex or close to Rock.
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Don’t get me wrong, the Vimberg Mino was not bad at all. All views are based on personal preferences.

What sounds bloated or strained in the bass for one person might be just right for another. And where the highs stick out in one view, another person just hears all the details. Some people pay a lot of money for Wilsons, others say they sound colored. Again others swear by Magico, while some think they sound cold.


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u-sound said:
you could buy a 2nd hand lansche
Lansche 4.2 (4537164101) | Gebrauchtgerat | Lautsprecher, Kopfhorer | Angebot auf audio-markt.de
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I’m swopping gear regularly, for the fun of it. And just to try out something new. Often I also just gauge the market to check what kind of offers I could get.

The Magico S3 mk2 I sold after 2,5 years. That does not mean they were bad speakers, not at all. Just got a good offer, and so I sold them.

I’m not really in the market for new speakers, but I could try some Giyas or Estelons for a change (Mike has posted some nice videos). The initial motivation to check offers were the Vimbergs, but so far at least the Mino is not for me. Maybe I’ll get totally excited about the Tondas and will post new pictures soon, who knows? I don’t [emoji3].

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u-sound said:
my wife would kill me for the gryphons in the livingroom (had to remove the alexias...no choice!!)
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A bit of a pussycat, aren’t you [emoji3]? Would it not make sense to check beforehand, before putting five figures into a component?

I could sell you some second hand Lansches for list price... between friends...


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AJR, this might sound like a funny question, but have you considered the A5s?

Of course the M series is more prestigious, but how much more do you really get vs. the A series? If I would still be interested in Magicos, I would check them out.


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Kuoppis said:
A bit of a pussycat, aren’t you [emoji3]? Would it not make sense to check beforehand, before putting five figures into a component?

I could sell you some second hand Lansches for list price... between friends...


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yea i guess a real man would tell the wife to shut up. as for the living room, my family is the boss as a whole.
the alexias were amazing. a friend sold them to me way under the usual 2nd hand price and i would have bought them even just for reselling. it turned out they were too prominent in the room, too far off the frontwall for best sound.
as well, i listened much more time with the tunetots in the office.
my friend missed his alexias and now they are back there. bought it for the same price he sold them. everybody is happy and won some experience.
btw, between sissys:), we could trade the lansches against tunetot, i wouldnt tell you i popped the woofer and just pushed it back and you can hide the uncoherence of yours
 
Kuoppis said:
AJR, this might sound like a funny question, but have you considered the A5s?

Of course the M series is more prestigious, but how much more do you really get vs. the A series? If I would still be interested in Magicos, I would check them out.


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havent heard or seen them yet but i think they are some of the most interesting speakers.
 
Kuoppis said:
I’m swopping gear regularly, for the fun of it. And just to try out something new. Often I also just gauge the market to check what kind of offers I could get.

The Magico S3 mk2 I sold after 2,5 years. That does not mean they were bad speakers, not at all. Just got a good offer, and so I sold them.

I’m not really in the market for new speakers, but I could try some Giyas or Estelons for a change (Mike has posted some nice videos). The initial motivation to check offers were the Vimbergs, but so far at least the Mino is not for me. Maybe I’ll get totally excited about the Tondas and will post new pictures soon, who knows? I don’t [emoji3].

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Any reason you are not considering the Tidals? Something like the Contrivas might be a sonic upgrade over the Vimbergs though I realize that they are significantly more expensive.
Anshul
 
apdoc2004 said:
Any reason you are not considering the Tidals? Something like the Contrivas might be a sonic upgrade over the Vimbergs though I realize that they are significantly more expensive.
Anshul
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About two weeks ago, I voiced a client's system in N.C. that had the entry level Tidals.

We achieved outstanding musical involvement.

If I had to pick a problem with these Tidals, I am actually not aware of any to speak of. Highly recommended (unfortunately, they are priced accordingly).
 
M3, hands down. Unless you want to start a speakers merry-go-round, like some people here :rolleyes:
 
apdoc2004 said:
Any reason you are not considering the Tidals? Something like the Contrivas might be a sonic upgrade over the Vimbergs though I realize that they are significantly more expensive.
Anshul
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Anshul, my only reservations against Tidal would be the high price, and that I just have not heard them enough. Their reputation is stellar, Jim’s comment only adds to it.

Based on my auditioning comments, the dealer I listened to the Vimbergs at, also suggested I should check out Tidals. In his view Tidals should be more neutral and more coherent in general.


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