I am a non-believer

Unfortunately, cables do matter. Even more unfortunately, there is really no cable under $500 that makes much of a difference. To really hear the difference you need higher end connecting cables--Shunyata Python Ziton, Nordost Tyre (at least...Valhalla better), Cardas Clear (not the quadlink). You need to view cables as components. I think of them as Lenses are to a camera. Once you buy them you own them forever. In fact, unlike lenses, all cables get better with age/use!
 
For the non believers out there if you ever come across a dealer who carries Audio Note take the time to do a listen. Audio Note is one of the only speaker manufacturers I know who offers certain speaker models that are identical in every way (i.e. same cabinets, drivers, cross-over, etc) with the exception that you can purchase a pair with the added option that it is all internally wired with silver. Listen to the same speakers without the upgraded internal silver wiring and see if you hear a difference. From my experience it was far more audible then expected.
 
Gentlemen, the answer is clear. Look no further. These are not cheap, but very hard to beat. The tech and build quality is second to none. When I upgrade my system, these are the cables I will be buying! I will not settle for anything less. They are an OEM, so some (or more than some) of your fav high end cables were made by these guys!

:::NEOTECH::: Professional Cable for Perfect Audios
 
If power cables are not working for you there is one of two reasons: First, you are not breaking them in long enough. The King Cobras require at least 200 hours. The Zitron cables require a minimum of tpp hours each.

The second reason power cables are not working for you is because you didn't upgrade enough. Unless you go to the Audioquest NGR100 level/King Cobra Zitron level/ PS Audio PS-10 level or Nordost Valhalla 1 then you are not reaching the levels where power cords will make a difference.
 
I disagree, even budget power cables can make more than a subtle difference. The results are a combination of the cable and the gear that it's used on, it has nothing to do with burn in time either.
 
If you have ever run commercial power tools you will know the quality and gauge of the extension power cord can make a big difference.
 
I have to show my "non-believer" card here. I don't believe in cables period. I wish they did not exist. I hate cables so much that I continue to deny using them even though I am forced to use some. My making my system completely wireless did not work out on paper in the final analysis, so it's a non-starter unfortunately. I make my own speaker cables. As far as interconnects go, I wish I did not have to use them, but I use.......I ain't sayin, but they are very affordable, do the job and not on any list you will see here or many other forums. That's all I'm saying about cables and refuse to say anymore about them. I'm one of those non-believers that will never be convinced otherwise by anyone or through demo or by any force. I refuse to even listen. When I attended an audio show last year, if there were cables in the room I refused to enter no matter what else was in there of interest, seriously. That's how averted I am to the whole subject of cables.
 
MusicDirector said:
I have to show my "non-believer" card here. I don't believe in cables period. I wish they did not exist. I hate cables so much that I continue to deny using them even though I am forced to use some. My making my system completely wireless did not work out on paper in the final analysis, so it's a non-starter unfortunately. I make my own speaker cables. As far as interconnects go, I wish I did not have to use them, but I use.......I ain't sayin, but they are very affordable, do the job and not on any list you will see here or many other forums. That's all I'm saying about cables and refuse to say anymore about them. I'm one of those non-believers that will never be convinced otherwise by anyone or through demo or by any force. I refuse to even listen. When I attended an audio show last year, if there were cables in the room I refused to enter no matter what else was in there of interest, seriously. That's how averted I am to the whole subject of cables.
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If you attended the Nordost demo at RMAF you wouldn't be saying that. Cables make a HUGE difference - starting with power cables - then speaker cables - then interconnects. Cables can make as big a difference - and sometimes a bigger difference - then a component change. Attend a NORDOST demo and you will be shocked.
 
Mike said:
If you attended the Nordost demo at RMAF you wouldn't be saying that. Cables make a HUGE difference - starting with power cables - then speaker cables - then interconnects. Cables can make as big a difference - and sometimes a bigger difference - then a component change. Attend a NORDOST demo and you will be shocked.
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+1...

I would suggest visiting a local audio dealer and doing some comparison shopping. Also, you can even leverage the cable library from the The Cable Company (Mike I hope you are ok with this) at listen in your own home environment. You may be surprised....

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Ritmo said:
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I would suggest visiting a local audio dealer and doing some comparison shopping. Also, you can even leverage the cable library from the The Cable Company (Mike I hope you are ok with this) at listen in your own home environment. You may be surprised....

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Of course Mike! I'm not "that other guy"! This site is about helping one another - not buying stuff I sell. :)
 
It is hard to believe in 2013 there are people who still think cables, and power, do not make a difference, let alone a huge difference in even a moderate level stereo. This non-belief is right up there with flat-earthers.
 
Mike said:
If you attended the Nordost demo at RMAF you wouldn't be saying that. Cables make a HUGE difference - starting with power cables - then speaker cables - then interconnects. Cables can make as big a difference - and sometimes a bigger difference - then a component change. Attend a NORDOST demo and you will be shocked.
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Sorry Mike, but first I don't even know what country NORDOST is held = Norway? Second, I have had demos done for me in the past and I am completely unconvinced. I've demoed Monster, AudioQuest and all manner of Kimber and heard no differences between them or outside them with the exception of PBJ cables, but that was because they were not shielded and terrible because of that, so I don't count those. I've had enough cable come-ons to last me a lifetime and I won't even bother with demos anymore. Like I said, I am the devout unconvinced you could say.:) I'm resistant to the Borg and can not be assimilated.:D
 
BlueFox said:
It is hard to believe in 2013 there are people who still think cables, and power, do not make a difference, let alone a huge difference in even a moderate level stereo. This non-belief is right up there with flat-earthers.
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And there we have it. This statement is a good example of why I do not discuss cables with anyone. Nobody wants to talk truly scientifically about cables, just a bunch of political statements or put-downs and errant assumptions on others abilities to understand or even think. So I do not bother anymore.
 
MusicDirector said:
And there we have it. This statement is a good example of why I do not discuss cables with anyone. Nobody wants to talk truly scientifically about cables, just a bunch of political statements or put-downs and errant assumptions on others abilities to understand or even think. So I do not bother anymore.
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In my opinion +1 !!!!!!
 
It's a bit ironic that I popped over (not sure what came over me) to this thread for a quick look...

I was preparing a "DIY" post regarding some of my latest "DIY" RCA cables. As I began drafting it, I'd already written a big disclaimer about me making any suggestions whatsoever relating to any perceived "sound" of the cables...in hopes of NOT starting yet yet yet yet another cable / power cord debate.
 
Well I've always been on the fence on cables. And I believe the fact that the markup on new cables is 500-1000%. That is why most cables sell used for their real value , usually at 20% of what they were new. I recently spent $375 on a pair of 1.5 m acoustic zen interconnects. Used . That's roughly 10% of the cost of the components on either side of them. Did they help? Maybe a little. I'd have not been happy if I paid the $1200 they would have been new.
My plan for power cables and conditioner is not clear to me yet . So I picked up a couple real fat 1m power cords for just $80 each and they made an instant difference over the 10ft long stock cables that came with the snappers. Right out of the box instantly heard quieter background , which aided in a deeper soundstage. I was sceptic all about these doing anything , so I listened to the same cd twice. Then put the new cables in and listened to the same again I was instantly apparent I got a good deal on tues and it helped the overall sound!!
You don't have to spend a fortune on power cables to get results, but getting something that is heavily shielded is a better product than the stock cords that come with most equipment
Just my opinion
 
I will continue the argument, sorry for doing so. But cables definitely make an audible difference. Some more than others and sometimes not for the better. But this is a big boys hobby with lots of wealthy players and my opinion is that if a 20000.00 cables sounds better to an individual than a 100.00 cable then by all means buyit if you can. Do I feel the small improvement is worth the price? No, but this hobby is not always about the music. It becomes a quest for the best possible sounding system one can afford to put together. If this were just based on the music then a modest 5k system would suffice. But this is a hobby that part of the fun is building the audio system first and enjoying the music second. I'm going to use a horsepower analogy. I know a fellow that owns a NHRA top fuel drag racing team. We were discussing power cords and I told him it would be minimal improvements compared to the money spent. He said " hell, I spend 150k for a half horsepower". But he is building the best possible motor he can. Same thing with cables, they need to be viewed as another component. If I had a Chevy Camaro I definitely would not spend 150k for half a horsepower. I think it all depends on where your trying to go with this crazy, awesome hobby.
 
baskinshaw said:
I will continue the argument, sorry for doing so. But cables definitely make an audible difference. Some more than others and sometimes not for the better. But this is a big boys hobby with lots of wealthy players and my opinion is that if a 20000.00 cables sounds better to an individual than a 100.00 cable then by all means buyit if you can.
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No problem, without discussion nobody will learn anything. Of course those who don't want the facts to interfere with their opinion will never learn, but others will.

I just want to add you do not need to spend $20K on a cable to get great results. For example, the most expensive Shunyata cable is the Zytron Anaconda speaker cable at $4K. The entire Zytron line, power/IC/speaker, low price to expensive is phenomenal. There is plenty of science/engineering on their web site to explain what is going on.
 
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