I am a non-believer

You guys don't think that is a marketing and culture thing ? I understand the LOGIC in spending a few K on a 100K system but scientifically and in actuality, there would have been no difference in spending a few hundred. Blind tests have proven this. We sometimes HEAR what we want to hear

Hey look, I am NOT knocking anyone. Everything is relative. If a guy wants to buy a 50k rolex, I buy a $200 Pulsar, another buys a $30 timex. You can talk all you want about materials, craftsmanship, etc...but that is all you are buying and what they are worth because in the end, they all keep accurate time EQUALLY.

Same (in my opinion) with cables. Inductance, capacitance and resistance are all the same and all things being equal, if the specs match, one IMPOSSIBLE to sound better than the other.

One more analogy and then I will be quiet. If you build a pipe out of PVC and it has a water flow rate of 60 gallons per minute and another built form stainless steel with a flow rate of 60 gallons per minutes, the stainless steel one will not flow more than the other and the water will not be wetter.

There has to be ONE dissenting opinion, yes ? :woot:
 
I am NOT in the cable camp.

You need cables made of good materials, being well constructed with heavy conductors with good plugs/connectors, heavy shielding and good insulation.

You can have all this for not very much money.

If you think you need fancy cables to make your equipment sound better, you selected the wrong components.
 
In my case, it's definably been a help over the years to periodically repeat to myself something along the lines of the title of this thread.
In recent years, the mystical claims of using exotic materials and/or treatments use have gone off the chart. It all seems rooted in the mantra that "everything makes a difference".

In my world, many things make a difference, sometimes subtle & UN-expected things make a difference, but, "everything" in fact does NOT make a difference. It's very easy to fall into this trap, I have more than once. JMHO :hyuk:
 
I am in the cable camp but i also concede that you will get more from a cable upgrade depending on what you put them on.
I have heard marked improvement when using better cables for tube and in many cases digital.
I have not heard much when putting pricey cables on sayan AVR but YMMV.
 
TubeBias said:
I am in the cable camp but i also concede that you will get more from a cable upgrade depending on what you put them on.
I have heard marked improvement when using better cables for tube and in many cases digital.
I have not heard much when putting pricey cables on sayan AVR but YMMV.
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Ahh..but what do you define as BETTER cables ? To me better interconnects (sat a 3ft pair) is in the $30 range, gold ends, component cable type to protect against rfi, etc.

But if I was a millionaire I would never buy interconnects costing hundreds...Hey, that's me :disbelief:

I don't want a Rolex either (but I do like Movado)..I would pay for what it LOOKS like, not what it does...
 
ohbythebay said:
Ahh..but what do you define as BETTER cables ? To me better interconnects (sat a 3ft pair) is in the $30 range, gold ends, component cable type to protect against rfi, etc.

But if I was a millionaire I would never buy interconnects costing hundreds...Hey, that's me :disbelief:

I don't want a Rolex either (but I do like Movado)..I would pay for what it LOOKS like, not what it does...
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Yep,we are gonna disagree on this one.
I'm far from a millionaire but i do like my MIT shotguns.
And yes they were a wee bit more than $30.
 
The neat thing about putting your amps on platforms is that they can go right near the speakers and save on speaker cable length. Now if I could figure out how to do this without using more interconnect length I would be golden. I meant platinum. Or do I want copper.
 
Bill13 said:
The neat thing about putting your amps on platforms is that they can go right near the speakers and save on speaker cable length. Now if I could figure out how to do this without using more interconnect length I would be golden. I meant platinum. Or do I want copper.
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Twisted rhodium rolled on the thighs of Cuban virgins...during a full moon - Only $500 per ft. ..LOL

That's what is nice about this SITE. we can respectfully disagree...I don't hold it against TubeBias for his MIT SHotguns and he likes his sound, nor does he look down on me for being content with my Belkin component cables...LOL Who knows, maybe one of these days I will come over to the dark side and spend $50 or even $75 for a set of cables...:exciting:
 
ohbythebay said:
Twisted rhodium rolled on the thighs of Cuban virgins...during a full moon - Only $500 per ft. ..LOL

That's what is nice about this SITE. we can respectfully disagree...I don't hold it against TubeBias for his MIT SHotguns and he likes his sound, nor does he look down on me for being content with my Belkin component cables...LOL Who knows, maybe one of these days I will come over to the dark side and spend $50 or even $75 for a set of cables...:exciting:
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There is so much in this audiophile world to choose from.What works for you is all that matters when it comes to dropping the needle or pressing play.
I'll pass on the cables you mention but will take a fine cigar rolled on a Cuban virgin's thigh anytime!
 
TubeBias said:
There is so much in this audiophile world to choose from.What works for you is all that matters when it comes to dropping the needle or pressing play.
I'll pass on the cables you mention but will take a fine cigar rolled on a Cuban virgin's thigh anytime!
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So will I !!! See , we agree !!!

BTW...Again, welcome aboard...looking forward to sharing some TUBE STUFF with you...:roflmao:
 
I'm from the camp that cables are like components; better system (synergy) matching results in preferable sound performance.

Money wise I don't care; it is totally unrelated to true overall performance.

Different means for different folks: some can play with a hundred grands, others with a hundred millions.
Me? ...With ten grands (+ plus - minus). Hey, all my stockbrokers stole from me! ...And I had so many girlfriends that .... :D
 
GaryProtein said:
I am NOT in the cable camp.

You need cables made of good materials, being well constructed with heavy conductors with good plugs/connectors, heavy shielding and good insulation.

You can have all this for not very much money.

If you think you need fancy cables to make your equipment sound better, you selected the wrong components.
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Funny because i think the same for subwoofers, if you need them it's because you bought the wrong speakers.:happy::happy::happy:
 
TubeBias said:
Yep,we are gonna disagree on this one.
I'm far from a millionaire but i do like my MIT shotguns.
And yes they were a wee bit more than $30.
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Yes owned them just before my Tara Labs Temporal Continuum and they where very good cables, you could add a zero to the $30.00 and multiply by 2 and you will be very close.
 
MrAcoustat said:
Yes owned them just before my Tara Labs Temporal Continuum and they where very good cables, you could add a zero to the $30.00 and multiply by 2 and you will be very close.
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And I agree with both Bob (Northstar) and MrAcoustat. I want my cables and everything else to impact the sound and I prefer to leave subs for HT. There is no music I listen to with anything below 40hxz.
 
Jim, you have a pair of top guns in your room (top-notch pair of full range loudspeakers); so yeah, they must have some decent 'woofing', and you want to let them sing their credits to you.

And true, most music (96.99%) that we listen to doesn't go much below 41Hz or so.
Only few classical music recordings, with the hall ambiance, and also organ music and chorales inside churches or other large avenues with low ambiance (and some wild pianists, and also electronic music with digital synthesizers) do require (IMO) multiple subs being able to reproduce low frequencies, say, in the 16Hz or so lower region, with real force and accurate impact.
But for most people (the vast majority), that is only 3% or so roughly from their music repertoire.

* Back to cables (interconnects and speaker wires and AC power cables); the higher in the ladder of high-end audiophilia, the more importance and essence they take. ...Makes perfect sense; no weak link.

Also, I truly believe that an ultra high-end stereo sound system comprises two or more subwoofers.
 
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