JOB 225 2-channel Power Amplifier ... update ...

What speakers do you have?

Cogratulations Randy! Nice pics! Merry Christmas everyone.
I still haven't made up my mind yet, I'm unable to reach a decision without full Srajan's review of JOB INT. I'm torn between the INT, 225, and Gato Audio... :(
 
The specs on the speakers are as follows:

SENSITIVITY:
89 dB SPL (2.83 V/1m).
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE:
8 ohm.
POWER HANDLING:
35W – 200W, without clipping.

Looks like any one of your choices will be fine to drive the speakers, it's what flavor of amp that you are looking for that pleases you, not anyone else. Will there be any way to demo some of the amps you are interested in buying?




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I'll change all cables and CD player; I'm keeping speakers and awesome power conditioner.
I just sold my Magnum amplifier for a very good price so right now I have no amplifer at all, for the first time in the last 20 years. (So Srajan please hurry.)
 
what flavor of amp that you are looking for that pleases you, not anyone else. Will there be any way to demo some of the amps you are interested in buying?
Zero. In radius of 500 miles from where I live, no-one has any JOB or Gato Audio gear, and very few people even heard of those brands.

What pleases me is to get the most for my money, I'm looking for the best-buy deal. That would probably be JOB, but which one? 225 is proven to be the best best-buy deal ever. But compared to JOB INT, 225 needs a preamp and DAC, so now INT might be even better deal - but there is still insufficient info about INT. Gato Audio also has rave reviews, but it's totally different concept, it's class D, it's much more expensive, and it's the most gorgeous amp ever. :) Srajan heard them all, so I'm waiting for his reply and for his finished review of the INT.
I'm really getting close to the finish line, and I'd like to stick with only these three options. During this autumn, I also thought about Mimetism, Electrocompaniet, Densen and Accuphase - all of them second hand of course, because I could never afford them as brand new. But I dropped those options and I hope to reach a decision by New Year's Eve.
 
Hi Mate,

My vote, if I were in your shoes, would be the Job INTegrated. I am sure it is at least as good or better than the Job 225 and you get the volume control and dac. You have a 10 day return privilege with Job. This should be enough to discover what you like or don't like about it if you run it 24x7 until you decide.
 
I guess my question would be this, if the amplifier in the integrated is the same as the 225 plus it has a pre-amp and a dsd capable dac then why would they be the same price? The pre-amp and the dac have to cost something.... Is the amplifier the same, is it lower power, what gives?

I can tell you from using a 225 for a day so far, the amp is excellent!
 
I guess my question would be this, if the amplifier in the integrated is the same as the 225 plus it has a pre-amp and a dsd capable dac then why would they be the same price? The pre-amp and the dac have to cost something.... Is the amplifier the same, is it lower power, what gives?

I can tell you from using a 225 for a day so far, the amp is excellent!

The JOB is a steal of a deal. I can't believe I drove my Raidho D3's with it. Sounded damn good too.

No idea on your question above, but I would guess that the amp is not totally the same as in the integrated as it is in the stereo.

Randy - would you say you prefer it over your McIntosh?


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Over the amplifier inside the MXA70, yes, definitely. Now the McIntosh amplifier in the MXA70 is only 50 wpc, but it is the same specs as their other amps. I also have heard that the sound characteristics are about the same as other McIntosh amplifiers.

Cleaner, crisper, definition is just spectacular, and the sound stage is to die for... very nice match so far with the KEFs... again, this is with only one day... I assume there will be some break in...
 
I guess my question would be this, if the amplifier in the integrated is the same as the 225 plus it has a pre-amp and a dsd capable dac then why would they be the same price? The pre-amp and the dac have to cost something.... Is the amplifier the same, is it lower power, what gives?

I can tell you from using a 225 for a day so far, the amp is excellent!


Randy,

Goldmund makes decent money on that side of the balance sheet. As far as I was told, Job was created to keep the employees busy and move excess product at an attractive price. Once people realize how amazing the Job gear is, their hope is to move them up the line. I could be wrong.
 
Over the amplifier inside the MXA70, yes, definitely. Now the McIntosh amplifier in the MXA70 is only 50 wpc, but it is the same specs as their other amps. I also have heard that the sound characteristics are about the same as other McIntosh amplifiers.

Cleaner, crisper, definition is just spectacular, and the sound stage is to die for... very nice match so far with the KEFs... again, this is with only one day... I assume there will be some break in...


Exactly! Vocals are amazing too with awesome tone.
 
Amplifier inside INT is completely new and different. 225 is so awesome, but we still don't know about the INT. It can be very different, or similar, better or worse, but they are DIFFERENT. With 225 it's also very much a question of preamp. And then you have the interconnect cable, power cord for 225, power cord for preamp... I may be doing the best move ever to buy 225, but then I can get the wrong preamp, and in the end not get the best possible result. With the INT I would not have that kind of problem / questions. But the INT is still somewhat unknown, still too little info to just go ahead and buy it. It's almost the same as Metis 7 - which means NOTHING because no-one knows anything about Metis 7 yet.
Further, I'm thinking - JOB is probably the best deal in audio ever, but it lacks beautiful finish. Gato Audio on the other hand is one of the most gorgeous things ever. Srajan think it's not as good as JOB, but still very, very good. But majority of music which I listen is far from some top-notch audiophile production. So maybe I don't need top quality components at all. And Gato Audio might still be top quality component, although somewhat less than JOB. I listen mostly 70's and 80's music, predominantly rock, metal, disco, synth-pop, electro. I listen other stuff too, like orchestral soundtracks. Queen, Kraftwerk, ABBA, Bob James - they are examples from my vast collecton with top-notch production. But Saxon and Iron Maiden are examples of lesser quality production. And my speakers are not some very expensive ones, for you guys, although they are in my part of the world. So in the end, I wonder do I really need Goldmund level of quality. I have a fear that whatever I choose, JOB 225, JOB INT or Gato Audio, that I will have some regrets. And that would be a bad thing for my peace of mind.
 
Paralysis by analysis.

I am not a fan of Class D anything so if the Gato Audio is Class D, I would not buy it.

As for the preamp match with the Job 225, you could buy their own, something with 10 dB or less of gain, or a passive pre and not worry. Is Primaluna available where you are? Their preamp mates very well. There really are many options to choose from.
 
I can buy JOB Pre and I can buy Primaluna. But then the total for the amplification would be too high cost for me. And - Primaluna is tube? I don't fancy having a tubes in my system.
I know what you mean about the Class D, but those who own Gato Audio say that they are special, much better than the majority of Class D. Even Jeff Rowland has Class D, so I guess not all Class D is in the same level, there are exceptions, and people say that Gato Audio is one such exception, if not the best.

"Paralysis by analysis." - Doesn't sound nice, because it's true. But - I made sure that it won't stay like that, by selling my old amplifier. Now I can't listen music, so I have to decide very soon.
 
Mate

What is you "bottom line" dollar amount for this transaction, whether integrated or amp/preamp? My suggestion is that you buy the 225 and a DAC/preamp but not the Marantz. I would look for something more current. You can buy new at a reasonable cost if you look in the right places. The best combo I have heard with the Job 225 was with the W4S STP-SE. Again just my opinion as an owner since 2013.
 
Hey Jack, thanks.

I'm thinking about Marantz because: a) it can serve me as head-amp and preamp and DAC, b) I can get it here easily, c) brand new unit for much lower price than in Western Europe or N. America, d) it got tons of positive comments from users, e) silver version looks gorgeous and it would fit very well with the rest of my room, which is red mahogany floor and silver gray audio rack.

For some time I was thinking about Naim DAC/head-amp, but for the price of that Naim I can buy THREE Marantz DAC/head-amps. So, Marantz HD-DAC1 serving as preamp for JOB 225 was my first idea, and that would be the least expensive solution for me, $1700 amp + $500 pre/head/DAC, some decent cables and I'm done.
But then I got a chance to buy a hardly used ex-demo Gato Audio for lower price...

I never heard about W4S STP-SE before, I know nothing about them or can I get that at all. I see it has much more inputs/outputs than I need, but doesn't have headphones input... so not really the best choice for me.

I don't know what to answer about my bottom line dollar amount. I believe that anything more than I payed for speakers is too much, but I'm afraid that I'll have to pay much more, whatever I choose to buy in the end. Especially if I choose Gato.
 
There is W4S STP-SE on Ebay. It costs way too much, 5 times more than Marantz. I would rather buy JOB Pre for 225, Pre costs a lot less than W4S, but even that (225+Pre) is too high price for me.
 
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally like the looks of Job a whole lot better than the Gato. The Job looks and more importantly, feels like a real piece of gear... I actually prefer the industrial look. The Gato to me looks like they were most concerned about how they look on the shelf. Not saying that is the case, just saying that is what it looks like to me.

I can tell you the Job is a fantastic piece of high sound quality first equipment!
 
Another question. I know that using .the standard stock power cords is not considered great and using the basic cheap power strip that I was using can't be great... I found i had a Monster Power - Power Center strip on one of my computers; completely not needed there. I put that in the system. Is that a decent start or is it also a piece of crap?
 
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