JOB 225 2-channel Power Amplifier ... update ...

Has anyone compared how better the Goldmund amps these are based on are? Really makes me wonder.
Actually that is an interesting question that I have asked myself as well. The cheapest Goldmund is called Metis One. It has the same board but double trafo and maybe better connectors. I found this on an Australian forum:
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And now the interesting part: I have found these on this thread:
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So yes it will probably sound better. But the Job has room for improvement. I hope KreamerDesigns builds something nice for it.
 
I don't know if georgehifi has even heard the Job. You show me another amp that retails or sells for $1700 US that comes anywhere near the Job 225, then we'll talk. Right now, Job is a giant killer. I see the Job continuing to reign for a long time.

Can the Job 225 be improved? Absolutely. I'd would love monos with balanced inputs and maybe a little more power. Does that make my Job 225 useless. Hell no. For the majority of speakers out there, the Job is phenomenal. If the Job 225 gets any better, a lot of companies will cease to exist and other companies will have to lower their prices.

I'm only a fanboy because I've owned many high end amps/preamp and the Job 225 competes very well. I put my money and mouth where I feel appropriate.
 
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I don't know if georgehifi has even heard the Job. You show me another amp that retails or sells for $1700 US that comes anywhere near the Job 225, then we'll talk. Right now, Job is a giant killer. I see the Job continuing to reign for a long time.

Can the Job 225 be improved? Absolutely. I'd would love monos with balanced inputs and maybe a little more power. Does that make my Job 225 useless. Hell no. For the majority of speakers out there, the Job is phenomenal. If the Job 225 gets any better, a lot of companies will cease to exist and other companies will have to lower their prices.

I'm only a fanboy because I've owned many high end amps/preamp and the Job 225 competes very well. I put my money and mouth where I feel appropriate.
Joe,
I don't know the guy but I don't see (in this post) he was negative about the Job. He just says that the Goldmund with a double transformer might be a bit better. Actually I think the same. And I have heard the Job. Impressive, but rationally better with a trafo for each channel...
Hans
 
1,500 vs 15,000!

Wow!!!

i haven't heard the Job, but considering the price difference, the fact that they are comparable is astonishing.

I need to hear this amp.

It it is probably less than what most of us paid for an interconnect anyway.
 
Glareskin

I think those guys on the Australian forum stirring the pot are former employees or principals in ME, the Australian amplifier company that has been bought out by a multi-national. They are against pretty much anything that is not "homegrown."
 
Glareskin

I think those guys on the Australian forum stirring the pot are former employees or principals in ME, the Australian amplifier company that has been bought out by a multi-national. They are against pretty much anything that is not "homegrown."
Jack,
I believe you. And Joe. I am not familiar with the Australian forum. But the post I have copied has merely factual information in it; namely that the Goldmund Metis has one transformer more compared to the Job 225 and for the rest it is the same circuits as you can clearly see. So I think they are right to say the the Metis is probably sounding a bit better. In this case I don't see bias or pot stirring. It is a very big compliment for the Job!
Look at this picture and compare with your Job. You'll see it is identical.
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Now imagine having Kreamer Designs to design a new beautiful housing like he did with the NCore, potentially milled from a single piece of aluminium, with the second transformer, with improved cabling, with massive WBT connectors, with improved thermal engineering (because the Job gets really hot)...
That would make the JOB 225 an even better sounding experience with a more exclusive look. Why not?
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Hans,

Those guys go on to say that its not possible to assemble in Switz for that price, even after I told them I saw it with my own eyes. They insist its Chinese built. Then later that it does not have much current drive, runs too hot and finally that the reviews are advertorial in nature. I have never seen such an illogical an frenetic ataack on ANY audio product like I have seen them do there. It was hilarious.

They could not even focus on one line of attack or one company. Firsrt they said the Metis was scam, since it was a dressed up Job, then they branched off to say the Job is no good. Schizophrenic.
 
does the job 225 break in by just being powered on. Could someone help me by describing the sound as the 225 breaks in?
I have much more low end in totality, good woofer control, but if someone could summarize the way the 225 breaks in and
how the sound changes to give me a better idea of what to focus on. I have not been involved with an amp break in for many years so if somebody could help me understand the process I would greatly appreciate it.
 
I hear that a new batch will be out at the end of the week.

Bandor, maybe Joeinid, Jake or Aumacoustics can answer your question?
 
Hi Bandor,

I guess like all amps (gear), just being on does not really break them in. They need signal going through them and they need to be driven. Some things that I noticed is the amp got a little smoother, a little less grainy. Highs became a little sweeter (less aggressive), Bass tightened up a little, there was a little more bloom and a general easiness to the sound. Vocals are wonderful. The amp has a definite holographic, pinpoint accuracy and separation to the music.

I hope this helps.

Don't stress over it. If you like it now, it will get better but you can understand now how wonderful it sounds. Enjoy the ride.

If you want even a little more performance replace the fuse with a Synergistic Research Quantum or Audio Magic the Super fuse.
 
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It's too bad this little amp isn't taken more seriously. I've offered it to guys in our audio club and they just laugh.

Just saying...
 
Hi Bandor,

If you want more performance, you need to try another power cord , it's a great improvement. This amp seems to be very sensitive to power supply (power cord, fuse).
 
joenid,
thanks for responding to my question about break in, I will keep you posted,
Keith

Hi Bandor,

I guess like all amps (gear), just being on does not really break them in. They need signal going through them and they need to be driven. Some things that I noticed is the amp got a little smoother, a little less grainy. Highs became a little sweeter (less aggressive), Bass tightened up a little, there was a little more bloom and a general easiness to the sound. Vocals are wonderful. The amp has a definite holographic, pinpoint accuracy and separation to the music.

I hope this helps.

Don't stress over it. If you like it now, it will get better but you can understand now how wonderful it sounds. Enjoy the ride.

If you want even a little more performance replace the fuse with a Synergistic Research Quantum or Audio Magic the Super fuse.
 
my dac has a variable output but it is lacking ever so slightly in gain to my Job225. What is the most discreet and transparent way to increase it ever so slightly, don't want to do the preamplifier thing because I think they ALL------ can---- or may--- degrade the sound. I am looking for something very discreet, something to put in the signal path to increase the gain to my job????
Anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this. My first testing on preamps 30 years ago found the first big degradation came from the cable and preamp. I have cable that will do virtually nothing to the signal path so that is not an issue. If there was a teeny tiny device that could be inserted after the dac that would provide a hint of gain I would be happy, I am close, so very close and the amp is improving in small increments daily
 
What kind of dac is it? Can the output be increased from it but turning some pots?

The Job has huge gain, so most people are looking to attenuate it, rtaher than feed it a higher voltage signal...
 
my dac was built with an external gain knob and something seems wrong because I had been using it with a low power class a amp. with a passive volume in the signal path with huge gain.
 
I deleted the body of my post so there is no misunderstanding, I make claims that make other audiophiles uncomfortable( I am really sorry, I apologize for any misunderstandings) and leave it to say, I invite people over to hear for themselves my system and with all due respect, what I designed is a system concept and if you don't hear a system where all signals go through my wire its not the same,
I am sorry, for any misunderstandings, I had offers for people to hear the cable but I am presently in discussion for people to license it ( monster cable) and I don't want to do anything that would jeopardize what I am working for.
I use wire that is so small it can't be seen with the naked eye, therefore controlling the path of the sine wave,
I just want to talk about my job 225 and what I can put in the signal path for more gain,
respectfully. I just want to be a contributing member of this forum, please accept this as an honest attempt to undo any misconceptions because of a previous post.
 
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