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rbbert said:
IMO you should not be using hydroxychloroquine for your severely ill Covid patients. In Nevada and California, at least, the state medical boards have circulated evidence-based (as much as possible) guidelines, and like every other professional organization around the world, those drugs (hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, azithromycin) are not among the currently recommended treatments, although they may become part of some of the ongoing or future studies.
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FWIW, A friend who is suspected of having CV is currently under treatment with hydroxychloroquine and Azathioprine. He is feeling well with no fever since he started treatment.
 
nicoff said:
FWIW, A friend who is suspected of having CV is currently under treatment with hydroxychloroquine and Azathioprine. He is feeling well with no fever since he started treatment.
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You can't prove that it is because of the drugs as the majority of patients have very mild symptoms and many are asymptomatic. You need a large number of patients in a controlled study. Do you know how many small studies showed improvement with drugs only to be dispelled in larger controlled studies. The medical literature is full of them. And just ask the drug companies of their failures.
 
Mechnutt said:
You can't prove that it is because of the drugs as the majority of patients have very mild symptoms and many are asymptomatic. You need a large number of patients in a controlled study. Do you know how many small studies showed improvement with drugs only to be dispelled in larger controlled studies. The medical literature is full of them. And just ask the drug companies of their failures.
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And nobody knows what illness he has/had.
 
kzhtoo said:
US does not have enough test kits.
US does not have enough PPE, gowns, masks for medical workers.
US does not have enough hospital beds.
US does not have enough drugs for front line workers.
US public is hoarding the drugs.
US has 2 months prep time and did nothing.

^That is not a superpower. That is a third world country.
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True. Inexcusable that the US is not prepared.
 
Mechnutt said:
You can't prove that it is because of the drugs as the majority of patients have very mild symptoms and many are asymptomatic. You need a large number of patients in a controlled study. Do you know how many small studies showed improvement with drugs only to be dispelled in larger controlled studies. The medical literature is full of them. And just ask the drug companies of their failures.
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Totally understand that logic. I am not saying it is proof. But I am relaying a FACT.
 
We have too many selfish people in the U.S. for a lock down and total quarantine to work unfortunately. FK constitutional rights as we are talking about saving thousands if not potentially hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly eradicating the virus.

And people will lose their homes, jobs and apartments. I don't get landlords threatening to evict people who can't pay their rent because their employer has shut down during the outbreak and they live paycheck to paycheck. Who do they think is going to rent the apartments during this time. Thankfully state governments have intervened. The federal government needs to not give everyone in the U.S. a check. They need to give more money to people who have not been able to work and do not have much savings. I would give my check to someone in need. They should also give these people total tax refunds for the year. We need to show compassion, understanding, generosity and forgiveness during this time.


Trump just lost his reelection IMO. He called the virus a hoax and did not take it seriously. He tried to censor the CDC and now it is too little too late. What an ass.
 
Mechnutt said:
We have too many selfish people in the U.S. for a lock down and total quarantine to work unfortunately. FK constitutional rights as we are talking about saving thousands if not potentially hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly eradicating the virus.

And people will lose their homes, jobs and apartments. I don't get landlords threatening to evict people who can't pay their rent because their employer has shut down during the outbreak and they live paycheck to paycheck. Who do they think is going to rent the apartments during this time. Thankfully state governments have intervened. The federal government needs to not give everyone in the U.S. a check. They need to give more money to people who have not been able to work and do not have much savings. I would give my check to someone in need. They should also give these people total tax refunds for the year. We need to show compassion, understanding, generosity and forgiveness during this time.


Trump just lost his reelection IMO. He called the virus a hoax and did not take it seriously. He tried to censor the CDC and now it is too little too late. What an ass.
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There’s no deciding on the fallout from this virus, but if it changes our politics for the better then it gets a point.
 
Take a look at this Folks: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

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About time to send the kids home from their Florida spring break.
 
kiwi_1282001 said:
The U.S system of Government is not helpful in quickly implementing measures needed to slow the virus.

Much of the enforcement of public health is a power held by a city or state. Different cities and states can decide to confront the expanding outbreak in a slightly different way.


Furthermore, Vox reports that draconian measures like lockdowns, especially when paired with aggressive diagnostic testing, isolation of the sick, and contact tracing – actions which have been effective at slowing the virus spread elsewhere – might not be legal, per the Constitution.





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Source: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/3/20/21179040/coronavirus-us-italy-not-overreacting
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People need to remember Italy 60 million people, the US 327 million people. Test results would be higher when performed due to the amount of US people that travel aboard monthly.
 
soastrup said:
Take a look at this Folks: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

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About time to send the kids home from their Florida spring break.
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Please keep in mind that the author of this piece is a writer/journalist with no medical background. He does use a variety of appropriate sources, but IMHO his lack of knowledge results in some questionable conclusions. Dr. Frieden’s (former head of CDC) article at cnn.com (sorry no link) appears to be to be a better summary (to be sure, with some of the same conclusions and recommendations)
 
Mechnutt said:
We have too many selfish people in the U.S. for a lock down and total quarantine to work unfortunately. FK constitutional rights as we are talking about saving thousands if not potentially hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly eradicating the virus.

And people will lose their homes, jobs and apartments. I don't get landlords threatening to evict people who can't pay their rent because their employer has shut down during the outbreak and they live paycheck to paycheck. Who do they think is going to rent the apartments during this time. Thankfully state governments have intervened. The federal government needs to not give everyone in the U.S. a check. They need to give more money to people who have not been able to work and do not have much savings. I would give my check to someone in need. They should also give these people total tax refunds for the year. We need to show compassion, understanding, generosity and forgiveness during this time.


Trump just lost his reelection IMO. He called the virus a hoax and did not take it seriously. He tried to censor the CDC and now it is too little too late. What an ass.
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It's very easy to look back and criticize actions by the (President/Government) in this unprecedented pandemic.
Perhaps if you had been put in charge we would have been over this crisis by now.

I am a Landlord. In order to evict someone there has to be a period of time in which the tenant has not paid.
Then one needs to file papers in court and receive a court date. Once in court a Judgement can be obtained. Then a period of time is given for it to "cure". All this before an eviction can occur.
This "process" usually takes at least 3 weeks minimum.
Be wary of reports that have Landlords evicting people loosing their jobs due to the Corona virus. Generally, there has not been enough time since the closures for this to be the case.
In discussion with other Landlords we are trying to access the tenants situation and work with them thru this crisis. Reducing rents and or free rent for the short time are being implemented by most.
Remember,being a landlord is a business and we provide a much needed service.. Loan payments, taxes, utilities,maintenance etc need to be met.
The cost of an eviction and then cleaning out and freshening the apartment is an expense that landlords try to avoid if possible by working with the existing tenants. Especially now.
We are all in this together. Lets act that way.
 
A friend emailed me and advised that the thread I began was falling apart. This thread was begun with the intention of informing others of the COVID-19 problem. I respectfully ask that members keep the main point the main point.

IMO, with the various professions and experiences represented on this forum we can be of great assistance to one another through such a time. Also, having a place to just discuss such a world-wide problem may be helpful. A post you make or discover elsewhere may just save a life?

With this in mind some topics that may be helpful for some here:

What measures are you taking thru this time?
Where do you live and where are you locating supplies for you and your family?
What are you personally doing to help others in your community thru this mess?
What helpful videos have you found on COVID-19?
How has your job been impacted?
Do you personally know of a friend that has COVID-19? How and what are they doing?
If martial law happened tomorrow are you prepared for it? How are you prepared for it?
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I’m sure there are many more topics that may be of assistance as well.

Thanks in advance for keeping this thread on track.
 
Sage advice Joe, in tough times it can be tough to keep a level head, we all need to take a deep breath .....
 
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