What Ticks You Off The Most About Online Audio Forums

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mep said:
Guys-One thing I have learned over the past 30+ years is that there is no correlation between formal education and writing skills. You would think there would be, but it simply isn't so. I first discovered this when I was an instructor at a shipyard. I remember being appalled when I had to read test answers written by engineers. I kept thinking of my fourth grade nun, Sister Tiger Claire. She would have lined all of them up and given them a beating.

It's no different now where I work either. I'm surrounded by engineers and I'm constantly amazed at their lack of writing skills. I've often wondered how they made it through college, but I have learned not to even contemplate that anymore. One peer I work with who is a EE can't write a complete sentence to save his life. A past division manager wouldn't let him send anything off station unless I proofread it first and corrected all of his mistakes.

I guess my point to all of this is that I'm surprised that someone started the "no tolerance for bad English" in this thread. Very few people can write intelligently now days. Again, it's not even a reflection of how many years of schooling they have and how many degrees they may possess. I can't go online to a single major website like CNN, FOX, Washington Post, or any others without spotting tons of grammar issues, missing words in sentences, and words not spelled correctly. And these stories are written by journalists!

My advice is to take a chill pill and not worry about it because you certainly can't fix it. Trying to shame someone and make them feel bad isn't going to turn them into a writer.
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Well putted.
 
I don't expect Queen's English on forums but do expect good readability. Posting from small devices such as mobile phones or phablets, especially Apple IOS, often creates the grammatical or spelling issue(s) in the firstplace.

In other words, it's quite evident when Sirri or Cortana messes up compared to an authorship punched by an illiterate bogan or indigenous indian. There seems to be more of the latter on other forums including the Australian one.
 
Seriously, the only grammar issue that really bothers me is not capitalizing either 'I', or the first word in a sentence. Even a first month English as a second language student would know that, so, in this instance, I suspect laziness is the correct answer.

On a humorous note, on another forum I was commenting that Apple's auto correct was killing me with its substitutions, and somebody commented it was even worse for those who are not native English speakers. That really struck me as funny because some of these auto correct phrases make no sense, and I could just visualize somebody wondering if their sentence is correct.
 
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That we all live too far away from each other, (as an engineer) too many peeps think science has the answer, and the credibility of "craft" in the audiophile world.
 
Steve said:
I don't expect Queen's English on forums but do expect good readability. Posting from small devices such as mobile phones or phablets, especially Apple IOS, often creates the grammatical or spelling issue(s) in the firstplace.

In other words, it's quite evident when Sirri or Cortana messes up compared to an authorship punched by an illiterate bogan or indigenous indian. There seems to be more of the latter on other forums including the Australian one.
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You are 100% right. If you can't write and spell, at least caveat that you are a) lazy or b) not an english speaker ( as your primary language.)
 
I tend to goof around on the forum, but I have as serious question for the bad grammar haters. When I read through many of these comments on writing style, am I correct that many of you would prefer excluding members who don't comply with your threshold for literacy?

So what about members with an extreme passion for audio who have worked hard and built wonderful audio systems; who have done tremendous research on the science of our hobby and bring insightful knowledge-based perspective to our forum; who have the time and energy to listen to vast amounts of gear and bring a firsthand perspective to each component's respective SQ subtleties; but who have not had the occasion in life to become a proficient writer (even if it is their only language) or they simply don't bother to write like this is a homework assignment in Comparative Literature?

To quote my friends on ESPN, "Come-on-Man." Are we serious here?

I would much rather have the above described individual as a member. One of the most insightful members on this forum never bothers to use the shift key and I for one am extremely happy he is here.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
I tend to goof around on the forum, but I have as serious question for the bad grammar haters. When I read through many of these comments on writing style, am I correct that many of you would prefer excluding members who don't comply with your threshold for literacy?

So what about members with an extreme passion for audio who have worked hard and built wonderful audio systems; who have done tremendous research on the science of our hobby and bring insightful knowledge-based perspective to our forum; who have the time and energy to listen to vast amounts of gear and bring a firsthand perspective to each component's respective SQ subtleties; but who have not had the occasion in life to become a proficient writer (even if it is their only language) or they simply don't bother to write like this is a homework assignment in Comparative Literature?

To quote my friends on ESPN, "Come-on-Man." Are we serious here?

I would much rather have the above described individual as a member. One of the most insightful members on this forum never bothers to use the shift key and I for one am extremely happy he is here.
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Paul-I think if we couple what you said above with what I said yesterday, it sums up my feelings on this subject. I don't remember there being any requirements for mastery of the English language in order to join an audio forum. If there were, there would only be a few people talking to each other. I can think of one forum right off the top of my head that the owner wouldn't be qualified as a member because he has a real hard time stringing intelligent sentences together (and I'm not talking about you Mike :)).
 
i grew up with a dyslexic parent, i'm moderately dyslexic myself beside the fact english is my third language. i feel no need to apologize for less than perfect grammar, syntax, caps or whatever, only my paying clients count when it comes to those details. speaking of which, i have clients w/ 7-figure incomes that don't know "you're" is a contraction of "you" and "are" and only use the possessive "your." i feel superior if only for a split second to know they have failings like the rest of us. so if it makes you smug to dis those that care less, then good for you:hey:
 
Many years ago I was appointed to a committee that had 9 members, including 7 English professors (not including me). We all flew in 6 hour long meetings on Saturdays, about once a month for a year. I remember spending hours listening to extended and heated discussions about such things as the proper use of a semicolon in a policy paper we were drafting. Lots of fun. :(

People say that the reasons academics have such heated and often vicious arguments is because the stakes are so low. Maybe that is true of audiophiles?

Larry
 
WOW …………. had no clue that 'my pet peeve' would raise so many eyebrows ! After all that was the question asked in the beginning of the thread ! Regardless, I'm by no ways perfect when it comes to the English language ……… but bad English is still bad IMO !
 
Some think it is about English I thought it was about posters using English to be a Snob.
 
It is tough to read expressions, tone, and snark thru dry text. If one mucks up the communication, it can get in the way of the exchange. I certainly make errors, but not seeing your faces, reading your non verbal cues and hearing your voices are attributes that really tick me off.
 
Mikado463 said:
WOW …………. had no clue that 'my pet peeve' would raise so many eyebrows ! After all that was the question asked in the beginning of the thread ! Regardless, I'm by no ways perfect when it comes to the English language ……… but bad English is still bad IMO !
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Yep. You threw a giant turd in the punchbowl.
 
I think in one of your post you said Lazy and or not English speakers and being 100% correct . If you are 100% correct it is not a debate is it.

oooBill if you live in Texas a nice state and nice people. If you wish to teach English to english speakers well I am just saying you could walk to work.
 
mep said:
Yep. You threw a giant turd in the punchbowl.
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LOL ………remember, I didn't start this thread, merely made 'my' contribution

Garth said:
I think in one of your post you said Lazy and or not English speakers and being 100% correct . If you are 100% correct it is not a debate is it.
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Garth, I have no clue what you are saying …………...
 
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