So happy with my digital...finally

Mike

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Getting my digital back to close to where I was when I had the Select II at home with the Avantgarde’s has been a daunting task with my MBL 101e mk2’s.

With top cabling, Everest 8000/Omega XC, the 9008 monos/6010d pre, an Aurender W20SE/ACS10, I was well on my way to getting my MBL system to perform to its ultimate level. But finding the right sources has remained my biggest challenge.

I brought home a number of different DAC’s, some that were the absolute best with every speaker in the store, were not quite the right fit for the MBL’s. The MBL’s are different birds. They need sources which are super dynamic and detailed, but retain a smooth naturalness to the midrange with tight bass. The one thing MBL’s do is reveal any flaws or weaknesses upstream.

The MBL Reference DAC and N31 were excellent. I could have lived happily with either of those, but I kept looking. I brought home a variety of different DAC’s and CD/DAC combo’s, including the MSB, EMM, Luxman, Chord, etc. And like Goldilocks and the three bears, some where a little too smooth, others a little too bright, others a little too flat, but when I stumbled upon the K-03XD in my system, it was “just right”. I knew right there and then that the new XD sound was perfect for my MBL system.

When I jumped to the Grandioso K1X, I was a little apprehensive. I was concerned that the excellent combo I had with the K-03XD was going to somehow disappear if I moved up the chain and lead me back to going in circles. That concern was quickly dissipated from the first note from the K1X. From this point, I waited patiently for the K1X to break in before making my next move: the Cybershaft Clock and external PSU. When the clock arrived and was connected with a Shunyata Sigma 75ohm clock cable, this is when things got really interesting. I heard an even greater smoothness, but with no loss of detail. Digital immediately became a lot less digital sounding. There was no downside to this addition, only more positive attributes.

Next up, I added the Esoteric PS1. The addition of the power supply helped tighten up the bass region and provide more dynamic punch, but it’s impact wasn’t quite at the level of the Cybershaft clock. If the clock was the icing on the cake, the PS1 was sprinkles with a cherry on top.

My next move was to replace existing USB cables with Omega USB. I will soon be replacing all existing cables with Omega clock cables, Omega Ethernet from the wall to the ACS 10 and Omega Ethernet from the ACS10 to the W20SE (that’s how they connect). I’m also going to add an 50ohm Omega Ethernet between the W20SE and Cybershaft Clock.

At this stage, I am beyond delighted with the sound of my digital. YES, this is a hell of a lot of money and a hell of a lot of boxes, but I really feel it’s now up to snuff with what I had with the DAC I still consider the best in the world, the MSB Select II on my AG’s.

So what’s left? You know...the mind keeps thinking. Esoteric is reportedly coming out with a new ultimate reference clock (G1X). The details are sketchy at this point, but I am excited to see what the new year brings. I’m thinking of getting this new clock and possibly integrating it with the Cybershaft clock (which remains as the Master Reference Clock). This is definitely “out there” in the world of clocks, but the results could be even more incredible. Stay tuned.

https://www.esoteric.jp/images/products/_tmp/main_img/esoteric/p1x_main.jpg
 
Getting my digital back to close to where I was when I had the Select II at home with the Avantgarde’s has been a daunting task with my MBL 101e mk2’s.

With top cabling, Everest 8000/Omega XC, the 9008 monos/6010d pre, an Aurender W20SE/ACS10, I was well on my way to getting my MBL system to perform to its ultimate level. But finding the right sources has remained my biggest challenge.

I brought home a number of different DAC’s, some that were the absolute best with every speaker in the store, were not quite the right fit for the MBL’s. The MBL’s are different birds. They need sources which are super dynamic and detailed, but retain a smooth naturalness to the midrange with tight bass. The one thing MBL’s do is reveal any flaws or weaknesses upstream.

The MBL Reference DAC and N31 were excellent. I could have lived happily with either of those, but I kept looking. I brought home a variety of different DAC’s and CD/DAC combo’s, including the MSB, EMM, Luxman, Chord, etc. And like Goldilocks and the three bears, some where a little too smooth, others a little too bright, others a little too flat, but when I stumbled upon the K-03XD in my system, it was “just right”. I knew right there and then that the new XD sound was perfect for my MBL system.

When I jumped to the Grandioso K1X, I was a little apprehensive. I was concerned that the excellent combo I had with the K-03XD was going to somehow disappear if I moved up the chain and lead me back to going in circles. That concern was quickly dissipated from the first note from the K1X. From this point, I waited patiently for the K1X to break in before making my next move: the Cybershaft Clock and external PSU. When the clock arrived and was connected with a Shunyata Sigma 75ohm clock cable, this is when things got really interesting. I heard an even greater smoothness, but with no loss of detail. Digital immediately became a lot less digital sounding. There was no downside to this addition, only more positive attributes.

Next up, I added the Esoteric PS1. The addition of the power supply helped tighten up the bass region and provide more dynamic punch, but it’s impact wasn’t quite at the level of the Cybershaft clock. If the clock was the icing on the cake, the PS1 was sprinkles with a cherry on top.

My next move was to replace existing USB cables with Omega USB. I will soon be replacing all existing cables with Omega clock cables, Omega Ethernet from the wall to the ACS 10 and Omega Ethernet from the ACS10 to the W20SE (that’s how they connect). I’m also going to add an 50ohm Omega Ethernet between the W20SE and Cybershaft Clock.

At this stage, I am beyond delighted with the sound of my digital. YES, this is a hell of a lot of money and a hell of a lot of boxes, but I really feel it’s now up to snuff with what I had with the DAC I still consider the best in the world, the MSB Select II on my AG’s.

So what’s left? You know...the mind keeps thinking. Esoteric is reportedly coming out with a new ultimate reference clock (G1X). The details are sketchy at this point, but I am excited to see what the new year brings. I’m thinking of getting this new clock and possibly integrating it with the Cybershaft clock (which remains as the Master Reference Clock). This is definitely “out there” in the world of clocks, but the results could be even more incredible. Stay tuned.

https://www.esoteric.jp/images/products/_tmp/main_img/esoteric/p1x_main.jpg

Congrats Mike,

Quite a system you have there! Next to my Select DAC, the Grandioso K1 was my favorite, so I’m not surprised the K1X is an ideal fit. The Select DAC is so organic sounding, it might have been too much of a good thing when paired with the inherent smoothness of the MBL 101E speakers.

Ken
 
Congrats Mike,

Quite a system you have there! Next to my Select DAC, the Grandioso K1 was my favorite, so I’m not surprised the K1X is an ideal fit. The Select DAC is so organic sounding, it might have been too much of a good thing when paired with the smoothness of the MBL speakers.

Ken

You nailed it!


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You nailed it!


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Esoteric has historically had a sharper attack than the MSB DACs. While this might have been somewhat exaggerated in their earlier models, they appear to have gotten it just right in their latest iteration.

Ken
 
Is your Esoteric stack less expensive than the MSB Select II you originally had? I'm curious if you had found digital nirvana with the MSB, why try and recreate it with Esoteric?
 
Is your Esoteric stack less expensive than the MSB Select II you originally had? I'm curious if you had found digital nirvana with the MSB, why try and recreate it with Esoteric?

If you read what I wrote above, I changed speakers. To compare apples to apples price wise, I really need the P1X/D1X.


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Essentially, what you are saying, is there that is not a best component, but a best system as a combination of attributes. Depending what you have down the line, will determine the best synergy.

I concur with that line of thought.


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I did actually read that you changed speakers. It never occurred to me that one might have to re-evaluate upstream components when changing speakers. I guess I always assumed that once you got your upstream components sorted, the choice of speakers would complement that stack of electronics.
 
I did actually read that you changed speakers. It never occurred to me that one might have to re-evaluate upstream components when changing speakers. I guess I always assumed that once you got your upstream components sorted, the choice of speakers would complement that stack of electronics.

The MBL’s are different birds as I mentioned above. More careful matching the sources. I discussed my Phonostage on another thread. Horses for courses.


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BTW, congrats on getting things sorted with the Esoteric stack! I know how hard dialing in system synergy can be.
 
Essentially, what you are saying, is there that is not a best component, but a best system as a combination of attributes. Depending what you have down the line, will determine the best synergy.

I concur with that line of thought.


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Yes. I would still say the Select II is the best DAC I’ve heard, except on the different birds: MBL’s. Ditto for my Phonostage! Maybe it’s their efficiency or their lack of that makes you pick different sources. Maybe it’s the super smooth tweeter. Maybe a combination.


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So Mike, replacing the VAC and the MSB, what was it exactly in the sound that did not harmonize with the MBLs? Too smooth, lack of detail? Of course, AGs are like putting a stethoscope on your upstream components.

Not trying to be nosy here, trying to learn. I could see MBLs somewhere in my future as well.


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So Mike, replacing the VAC and the MSB, what was it exactly in the sound that did not harmonize with the MBLs? Too smooth, lack of detail? Of course, AGs are like putting a stethoscope on your upstream components.

Not trying to be nosy here, trying to learn. I could see MBLs somewhere in my future as well.


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Too smooth as Ken mentioned. The MBL tweeter is super smooth with a roll off around 14-15khz.

From Stereophile review:

“The 101E Mk.II is remarkably flat throughout the midrange and treble, and this version of the speaker is less peaky in the top octave than the original, though it does roll off quickly above 14kHz.”

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Source: MBL Radialstrahler 101E Mk.II loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com



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Too smooth as Ken mentioned. The MBL tweeter is super smooth with a roll off around 14-15khz.

From Stereophile review:

“The 101E Mk.II is remarkably flat throughout the midrange and treble, and this version of the speaker is less peaky in the top octave than the original, though it does roll off quickly above 14kHz.”

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Source: MBL Radialstrahler 101E Mk.II loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com



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Thanks for pointing out the roll-off, Mike. That basically means that the MBLs are more tolerant towards components trimmed for high resolution and sparkle in the top-end.


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Wow, they really do roll off above 14 kHz! But they sure sound terrific. One of my top four speakers under $100K. It’s all about component matching. I rebuilt my entire system every time I’ve changed speakers.

Ken
 
Wow, they really do roll off above 15 kHz! But they sure sound terrific. One of my top four speakers under $100K. It’s all about component matching. I rebuilt my entire system every time I’ve changed speakers.

Ken
MBL knows that most music lies well below 15K Hz and that most people who can afford their gear cannot even hear 15K Hz (I know I can't). The 20K Hz spec so often quoted may be meaningful to our dogs and cats but probably less so to us.
 
Yes. I would still say the Select II is the best DAC I’ve heard, except on the different birds: MBL’s. Ditto for my Phonostage! Maybe it’s their efficiency or their lack of that makes you pick different sources. Maybe it’s the super smooth tweeter. Maybe a combination.


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My theory is that the the sharper attack on the leading edge of notes (sparkle or bite) of the Esoteric K1X compared to the MSB DACs offsets some of the treble roll off (smoothness) of the MBL 101E’s.

I really don’t believe it has anything to do with the level of detail, as my Select DAC has more detail than any of the three Esoteric Player/DACs I’ve owned.

This is what component matching is all about in a system, offsetting the tendencies of different components to achieve a balanced and pleasing overall presentation.

Ken
 
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