Siltech Royal Signature Series

[Mike]

David - I can't comment on McIntosh's internal cabling, but they won't be putting a heavy shielded 10 gauge wire in there for a two inch or less run. It very well might be bulk cable from a well known manufacturer.

I think your point is: inside your amp is crappy wiring, so why spend all this money on good wiring? This harks back to the old "cables don't matter" argument.

Manufacturers are working with limited space and super short runs. We are dealing with 1, 2, 3, 4, even 5 meter runs. Many hundreds of times longer. The longer the cable, the higher the gauge needs to be and the better the shielding needs to be.

All copper cables have limits IMO. A designer can wind the copper a certain way, they can separate the wire into separate individual strands. But their overall affect is subtle. To me, you can really flavor your system with different combinations of metals. Copper is neutral. Silver is more detailed. Gold and silver has all the detail without the bite. There are many other things cable manufacturers can do.

Don't even get me started on Magic EQ boxes on Transparent cables and others.


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[Rod#S]

Nice Rod! You have a little slack there, but not worth risking it. You also never know, you may want to move some pieces around.

Yeah hopefully seeing the pics Steve will get a better sense of how much less slack he would have to work with if getting .75m. It's my understanding that the cable thickness of the Princess is the same as the Golden Ridge II. I actually see no difference between my GRII and my Ruby Hill II so I suspect that the Golden Universal II would also be the same thickness and stiffness.

 

[Golucid]

David - I can't comment on McIntosh's internal cabling, but they won't be putting a heavy shielded 10 gauge wire in there for a two inch or less run. It very well might be bulk cable from a well known manufacturer.

I think your point is: inside your amp is crappy wiring, so why spend all this money on good wiring? This harks back to the old "cables don't matter" argument.

Manufacturers are working with limited space and super short runs. We are dealing with 1, 2, 3, 4, even 5 meter runs. Many hundreds of times longer. The longer the cable, the higher the gauge needs to be and the better the shielding needs to be.

All copper cables have limits IMO. A designer can wind the copper a certain way, they can separate the wire into separate individual strands. But their overall affect is subtle. To me, you can really flavor your system with different combinations of metals. Copper is neutral. Silver is more detailed. Gold and silver has all the detail without the bite. There are many other things cable manufacturers can do.

Don't even get me started on Magic EQ boxes on Transparent cables and others.

I'd say, someday I want to come hear your gear but, you do not have my setup. Hearing your system would be outstanding, that I am sure...but I really need to hear how my system would sound using a high end cable. Wanna loan me some Siltech? <grin>

In the meantime, I'll begin shielding everything LOL

 

[Bruce]

Plinius of New Zealand use Siltech internally

Bruce

 

[Steve]

David... Surprisingly you will find the hookup wire in later generation McIntosh components to be minimal and of very good quality. The critical paths are also shielded with sleeves where the engineers have measured to be necessary.

BTW, many have criticised TUC selling strategy as a front to move grey market product. The practice is unauthorised, your warranty would be void. If you bought from him, you would be buying second hand with no manufacturer's warranty. TUC claims are unsubstantiated and very subjective.

You are going through a learning process that we have all been through. We all have. The cables matter or don't matter argument is something that you have to reconcile for yourself.

You have shown us all how you can shop on Bond Street, so you should have no problem splurging on some Siltech cable if you are curious and passionate about your system.

 

[Steve]

Thanks Rod. Very good of you. I will study closely.

So here are 2 pics from behind my rack that capture the 1m Golden Ridge II. I measured from the top edge of the XLR into my BDP to the bottom edge of the XLR into the MC-12 and it's 20".

 

[Golucid]

You are going through a learning process that we have all been through. We all have. The cables matter or don't matter argument is something that you have to reconcile for yourself. You have shown us all how you can shop on Bond Street, so you should have no problem splurging on some Siltech cable if you are curious and passionate about your system.

Learning curve alright!

I have never been to Australia. I have flown around it...New Zealand, Fiji, Malaysia and so forth. If I come to OZ, I will embrace bond street.

 

[Steve]

You will have to go London just like 007 for that. ^^^^ If you shop Bond Street London and Knightsbridge be sure to take the Black card.

Australia has Martin Place Sydney, Collins Street Melbourne and Chapel Street South Yarra but nothing as exclusively individualistic as Bond Street London.

Anyway off topic. None of these places sell Siltech but Harrods will get it for you if you have an account with them.

 

[Steve]

QUESTION: Are Siltech interconnect designated lengths end-to-end inclusive or exclusive of the plug? i.e Would a 2m length be actually 2120mm or 2000mm or something in between?

The more I look at the bend Radii of the RMII and the photos above makes me want to spend to the next size up.

 

[jdandy]

I think I saw Mike's Siltech payment reach the bank today. .

 

[Mike]

After the payment for my full loom, that's not far off.

But man, soooooooo worth it!


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[Mike]

QUESTION: Are Siltech interconnect designated lengths end-to-end inclusive or exclusive of the plug? i.e Would a 2m length be actually 2120mm or 2000mm or something in between?

The more I look at the bend Radii of the RMII and the photos above makes me want to spend to the next size up.

Steve - just measured for you, the 1 XLR meter came out to be precisely 41 inches tip to tip.

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[Steve]

Mike...Thanks. Basically there is 20mm allowance for insertion loss. In other words, the cable measures exactly the length when plugged in.

I'm going to bend up some wire and simulate positioning. If you know the bend radius (from cable end to end of bend using the cable weight as it was hanging plugged in) that would also be helpful otherwise I will use the Ruby Mountain II as a guide.

 

[Rod#S]

QUESTION: Are Siltech interconnect designated lengths end-to-end inclusive or exclusive of the plug? i.e Would a 2m length be actually 2120mm or 2000mm or something in between?

The more I look at the bend Radii of the RMII and the photos above makes me want to spend to the next size up.

I just pulled my GRII and measured, it's precisely 106cm from tip to tip, measuring just the cable from end to end to where it enters the XLR connectors is just about 92.5cm. So my guess is the end to end measurements are probably a bit over the designated lengths most if not all of the time as the connectors add bit on extra length.

 

[Steve]

Thanks guys, I'm good with my order now.

I can get away with 1.5m lengths. So with 4 sets of Princess and 1 Golden Ridge, that should hopefully put me into remission for awhile. :exciting:

 

[Golucid]

Thanks guys, I'm good with my order now.

I can get away with 1.5m lengths. So with 4 sets of Princess and 1 Golden Ridge, that should hopefully put me into remission for awhile. :exciting:

Curiosity, how much this the 4 sets of Princess and 1 Golden Ridge cost?


David

 

[Steve]

Curiosity, how much this the 4 sets of Princess and 1 Golden Ridge cost?


David

You can buy some sort of a nice new car with that.


David...If you need to get a feel for cable prices, go to The Cable Company for SRRP.

 

[Golucid]

You can buy some sort of a nice new car with that.


David...If you need to get a feel for cable prices, go to The Cable Company for SRRP.

I just looked, yeah. That's the price of one of my Hubulot Rose Gold watches. Congrats!

 

[kzhtoo]

Have anyone compared 550i/750i vs. Princess IC and 550L/750L vs. Prince SC?

Or just any experience 550s/750s, Prince, Princess comparison with other brands of cable?

 

[Steve]

I have a pair of i770 G7 RCA interconnects. It's a great cable once it settles in.

Slightly less detailed than say the Furutech LineFlux, but with a more of a laid back soundstage, is probably more pleasant to listen to.

I'm expecting the Princess to be a huge step up and that expectation is to surpass the Wireworld Platinum Eclipse G7. I know the Queen is easily better than WW.