Roon, is it just me?

Let's divide this between software and hardware, especially for those of you running Roon on "NUC"s and other machines.

For software, I think Roon seems to work fairly well, and it sounds very good when it is working well. And Roon support is also, generally, pretty good, if you don't mind waiting hours for answers, or even overnight, as is typical in the software world.

For hardware, I have a Nucleus Plus, and I call it the "Trabant". It stops playing multiple times each day, and often disappears completely from my network. All other network devices function normally. Without issue. All are brand new, including the Trabant. When it disappears, sometimes it reappears when I turn it off/on, but sometimes not. Then it reappears hours, or a day later. Rebooting the router and other devices makes no difference.

Hardware support, for this $3,100 product (including the software subscription), is the same as for the software -- meaning you post your issue on the Roon forum, and then wait for hours, or up to a day to see if someone responds with anything helpful. For me, this has been going on since my purchase, over four months now.

In their "warranty", Roon only offers an email address for customers requesting service: no phone number, and no mailing or physical address. When I email the provided address, and request an RMA, describing my long-standing problems, I get a response telling me to post on their forum. And I have been told, multiple times, that they offer no phone support. My RMA request has been ignored. Multiple times.

So, basically, they won't take back their machine for service, but expect me to pick up a wrench and fix my own car. Sadly, I'm no mechanic. And if that's the deal, fine, but state that up front so the buyer can beware.

Contrast this with an Aurender I purchased from Mike years ago. That also had a problem in the beginning, and Aurender immediately contacted me, sent me an RMA, paid shipping both ways, fixed the problem, and my X100L has worked flawlessly ever since. Flawlessly. Day after day for over six years now.

My Roon Trabant has never worked flawlessly for three days in a row.

My advice to anyone considering Roon: get the software, run it on any hardware other than something Roon offers. Or buy it directly from Roon so that you can ship it back to them and dispute the charge with your credit card company when it doesn't work properly. I bought it from a dealer I know well and like, and now he's stuck in the middle.

Well, not stuck in the middle, but he graciously offered to get involved when I recently told him about my problems. Thanks again Mike. I didn't want to burden him because none of this is his fault.

From now on, I will look closely at the warranty terms for any product I buy in this hobby. If there's no phone number, I'll get something else. And you should too.
 
Sorry that you are having such an issue. I love Roon, but I use only their software, not their hardware. I have for years. I have never had an issue what so ever.

I spoke with the folks are Roon a few times a couple years ago and they seemed very good and very caring. Maybe things have changed.
 
I can't really speak to subjective assessments like "caring" or "good". The person responding to my issues on their support site has been courteous, but my Trabant's issues continue, unresolved.

I would be happy to speak with Roon personnel, by phone or otherwise, if ever afforded that opportunity.

I can only report objective facts, as I've done above. Caveat emptor with respect to Roon hardware products.
 
Wondering if it is the Nucleus having an issue?...

thus far, the four people reporting problems are all using a nucleus.

interestingly though, no one using the exact same software, roon ROCK, but on a "DIY nucleus" such as an intel NUC or a custom build is reporting any similar problems.

small sample size and maybe / probably a coincidence... but, at least worth considering. perhaps, something as simple as the nucleus needs to have the BIOS updated? just thinking out loud here.
 
thus far, the four people reporting problems are all using a nucleus.

interestingly though, no one using the exact same software, roon ROCK, but on a "DIY nucleus" such as an intel NUC or a custom build is reporting any similar problems.

small sample size and maybe / probably a coincidence... but, at least worth considering. perhaps, something as simple as the nucleus needs to have the BIOS updated? just thinking out loud here.

Well said. Love Roon’s features, but for sonics Lumin and Aurender apps sound better to me anyway and I don’t have the issues.


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Thinking aloud here: if a nucleus cost $3k or say $2.5k, perhaps folks should consider getting a full fledged more powerful machine for about the same money.
 
I think Roon might require some TLC in system planning and specification, but if that’s done well it should be a smooth sail. (I know Mike, he knows himself around IT, it’s interesting he’s had issues.)

In my case, I studied some fora and user comments beforehand, and made sure my HW is up to the task. Especially memory is critical, I think the 4 GB in the Nucleus is too little. I do have 16 GB, and an SSD with 256 GB which serves as a temporary memory bank. I have a small business server configured as a NAS, pimped out with SSDs galore for RAM and temp memory. When there’s an automatic update I usually re-start it, but that’s it.

I also do have an Aurender sitting around idle, maybe I bring that to the summer house. I do like the Roon sound better, as it’s a bit more transparent.

Here’s a Positive Feedback review, where the non-IT-literate reviewer struggled at first, but then became a happy camper when issues were resolved.

https://positive-feedback.com/reviews/hardware-reviews/roon-labs-nucleus-plus-server/
 
Definitely agree. 4 GB is not enough. I also run 16 GB in my machine.

A beefier CPU also helps, and is required if you ever go to a PC based system and HQPlayer.

Yes, concur. Especially if you are doing any upsampling, that will require a lots of MIPS.

I do not upsample, but do nevertheless have a quad core processor in the NAS to keep things smooth.


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Definitely agree. 4 GB is not enough. I also run 16 GB in my machine.

A beefier CPU also helps, and is required if you ever go to a PC based system and HQPlayer.

Roon does not require a powerful machine to run Roon without issues. Once I worked out my network issues I haven't had a glitch with Roon is a long time using a Small Green Computer i5. It is Linux based with only 64GB drive for the Roon OS. I added a 2TB SSD for my music which I will never come close to filling as a regularly cull music. The unit will handle up to 450k tracks. It comes with HQ Player installed (no license) but if you are a heavy HQ Player user I would guess you would be better off with their i9 solution. Best part is there is no need for a keyboard, mouse or monitor.
 
Roon does not require a powerful machine to run Roon without issues. Once I worked out my network issues I haven't had a glitch with Roon is a long time using a Small Green Computer i5. It is Linux based with only 64GB drive for the Roon OS. I added a 2TB SSD for my music which I will never come close to filling as a regularly cull music. The unit will handle up to 450k tracks. It comes with HQ Player installed (no license) but if you are a heavy HQ Player user I would guess you would be better off with their i9 solution. Best part is there is no need for a keyboard, mouse or monitor.

That’s correct, Roon does not. But media playback does require RAM. If you e.g. play some DSD albums, one track is easily 1GB. Or alternatively upsampling eats MIPS.


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Roon does not require a powerful machine to run Roon without issues. Once I worked out my network issues I haven't had a glitch with Roon is a long time using a Small Green Computer i5. It is Linux based with only 64GB drive for the Roon OS. I added a 2TB SSD for my music which I will never come close to filling as a regularly cull music. The unit will handle up to 450k tracks. It comes with HQ Player installed (no license) but if you are a heavy HQ Player user I would guess you would be better off with their i9 solution. Best part is there is no need for a keyboard, mouse or monitor.

I believe you would find that this HQPlayer is not the standard version that can work with Roon. It is a lite stand along version using their interface, or so it was on the several I configured at W4S. Their OS, software configuration, etc. came from SGC and was Linyx also.

If you are a heavy HQPlayer user you would want a Windows machine running a good i7 (mine is an 8-core machine) with at least 16 GB RAM. Roon is not that hardware crippling, but 4 GB RAM is not enough. Up-sampling does start to need a higher level machine.
 
That’s correct, Roon does not. But media playback does require RAM. If you e.g. play some DSD albums, one track is easily 1GB. Or alternatively upsampling eats MIPS.


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I have several DSD albums (none higher than 128) that play without issue. Roon is just feeding to to my DAC.
 
I believe you would find that this HQPlayer is not the standard version that can work with Roon. It is a lite stand along version using their interface, or so it was on the several I configured at W4S. Their OS, software configuration, etc. came from SGC and was Linyx also.

If you are a heavy HQPlayer user you would want a Windows machine running a good i7 (mine is an 8-core machine) with at least 16 GB RAM. Roon is not that hardware crippling, but 4 GB RAM is not enough. Up-sampling does start to need a higher level machine.

As I indicated they have a i9 solution if you are a heavy HQ Player user but then I have no need for it.

There is nothing that would ever get me to use a Windows machine again.
 
Roon is working very well for me, no problems. I have my Nucleus+ in front of my Lumin, and much prefer it to the Lumin app which gives me frequent problems. And, I much prefer the functionality and ease of Roon, as well as it's many additional features.

An additional note: I move my Nucleus+ between my city and country systems so as to enjoy it in both locations without having the expense of two subscriptions. It works well at both locations without problems.
 
There is nothing that would ever get me to use a Windows machine again.

Everyone has their own needs, of course, and certainly to each their own. I also have no need for a Keyboard, Mouse, or Monitor to be hooked to my machine. I rarely use attached monitors, etc., to the servers that I use at work; haven't for many years.

I would never use an Apple machine and although I have nothing against it I am not a fan of Linux. Not a huge fan of open source. But, since I really love DSD, the higher the better, a Windows machine is the only way, in my view and certainly for my DAC. I up-sample everything to DSD512!
 
I run the Roon Nucleus Plus in my network. I use the Select II DAC with Renderer V2 Digital Input Module. I’ve had this setup for over a year and overall there have been very few glitches. There have been a few software updates lately, which required rebooting to implement. Once that was completed, it was smooth sailing. I am a huge fan of Roon and love the sound quality and functionality.

Ken
 
Thinking aloud here: if a nucleus cost $3k or say $2.5k, perhaps folks should consider getting a full fledged more powerful machine for about the same money.

First of all, I am running a Roon Nucleus+ and I have zero problems with the software or hardware. I also don’t want a “full fledged more powerful machine. The Nucleus+ was purpose built to run Roon on Linux software in a very small fanless enclosure. There is not an audio card or a video card built on the motherboard. I’m glad I’m not running a Windows based server that is running two gabillion apps in the background.
 
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