Power Conditioner use and recommendations for systems with Preamp/Source separated from Amp(s) ....

Arnie, curious, did you start out with an isolation transformer or did you start out with a more typical PLC type box, found it ineffective, and then moved to the isolation transformer? From what I've read, noise from the street isn't as bad as noise contributing from inside your house, hence PLCs. Very interested in your journey.

Thx

Hi Allen,

Before I used the Isolation transformer that I have now, I did use more typical power conditioners including the Exactpower EP15 regenerator, PS Audio PS6000 power regenerator and the Audio Excellence Power Wing. I also auditioned the Shunayta Hydra 8 in my system for awhile. All of these products have their pros and cons, and each one affected the sound in a different way but in general they made a somewhat positive improvement in the sound when used for front end gear. But I always felt that these were band-aid type solutions that were expensive given their results and the fact that I couldn't really use these with my amplifiers. When I had the opportunity to rework my room, I decided to go with a good power solution from the ground up.

If I understand your statement correctly about noise from the street vs noise from inside your house, the way that my isolation transformer is setup and installed it does isolate my audio system from the power inside my house. The transformer is taking its power feed from the main power box located on the outside of my house (which is taking the power feed from the street) - it then goes to the transformer and the transformer feeds its own dedicated circuit breaker box which then feeds the 12 , 20 amp dedicated outlets. This completely bypasses the the breaker box inside of my house which is feeding all of the appliances, lights, etc in my house.
 
Thanks for the quick reply, Arnie. Interesting. When going from PLC boxes to isolation transformer, what would you say was the biggest benefit to SQ, i.e., what do you get with the transformer that you don't get with the PLCs? Do you use any PLC since adding in the transformer?


Thx!
 
Have heard the same from others who have tried this one...my voicing is now so 'exact' to what I want to hear, I do wonder what would happen if I put it in...always tricky! After my most recent round of isolation...which required quite a lot of setup/re-setup to get back to the original voicing (but with far far greater clarity, extension, depth, detail, decay, etc)...I am ever more cautious these days. Nevertheless, I do love my Transparent Ref Power conditioner...and wonder what these other SOTA pieces would do.

Haha, it's always fun to see how much more SQ you can extract out of your system via these 'tweaks'.

Lloyd, thinking of auditioning the Accuphase or other wave regenerators? Your confirmation of what my friend says has me more intrigued now...
 
Haha, it's always fun to see how much more SQ you can extract out of your system via these 'tweaks'.

Lloyd, thinking of auditioning the Accuphase or other wave regenerators? Your confirmation of what my friend says has me more intrigued now...

Hi Socfan,it is on 'the list' for sure...the question is when. At the moment, I am 95% done on isolation...should do the final bits this coming weekend. Final cable bit may/may not finish this year. Then its really about speakers...a truly long-term decision. Then its Dedicated Room/Power...I kinda feel like I should do isolated wiring to the room in addition to any PC investigation beyond the TA Ref Power Conditioner. I don't expect that to be for a while.
 
Hi Lloyd,

I saw your earlier post in Kev's isolation thread I believe. Wow, that's intense! I'm not there yet, but hope to go back to your thread and pick yours and Kev's brain when I am there.
 
Thanks for the quick reply, Arnie. Interesting. When going from PLC boxes to isolation transformer, what would you say was the biggest benefit to SQ, i.e., what do you get with the transformer that you don't get with the PLCs? Do you use any PLC since adding in the transformer?


Thx!

Hi Allen,

I would say the following are the improvements that are easy to hear:

1. The overall noise floor of your system is lowered - especially since you are able to take advantage of your amplifiers being powered as well as by the isolation transformer.

2. The second thing that I noticed was a much greater sense of ease to the sound - much more effortless than using any of the PLC boxes that I tried.

3. The dynamics of your system are more explosive - again, if you size the isolation transformer correctly to suit your needs, there is never any constraint to the sound.

4. The overall sound is harmonically richer than with most of the PLC's that I tried - especially in the upper mid range and treble frequencies. The one PLC that I tried that did not thin the sound was the Shunyata - but it added a coloration to the sound ( I referred to it as a "carmelized coloring" ) and this greatly took away from the transparency of the sound of my system which I did not like at all.

I have since tried only 1 PLC boxes for my front end only - The Audio Excellence power wing (which was the best PLC box that I have tried before I installed my transformer) and I immediately could hear the thinning/hardening of the upper mids and treble frequencies compared to going straight to the wall plugs powered by the isolation transformer. Recently however, I have added an Absolare Power Purifier for my front end only which uses Bybee technology inside of it. The improvement was not "night and day" but it was easy enough to hear for me in my system. I then tried to use multiple Absolare Purifiers for my VTL Siegfried amps (one for each amp). That was not successful as I could immediately hear a reduction in dynamics in my sound so my amps remain plugged directly into my wall.

Please keep in mind that the electrical power design for my audio system goes beyond the very high quality isolation transformer that I use. The design was done to minimize as much as possible the effects of noise, EMF and RFI. For example, my dedicated circuit breaker box uses bolted in breakers instead of snap in breakers. All my wiring from the dedicated breaker box to each dedicated outlet consists of 3 individual strands of solid core, 10 gauge copper wiring, manually twisted on 1" centers and run through flexible steel conduit. No wire run is longer than 30 feet - most are 20 feet and under. The outlets that I use are isolated ground outlets. The transformer has a special ground rod which is 2" in diameter, 3/8" thick copper outside with a ceramic center fill. All of this combines as a system to provide very high quality power for my audio system.

Hope that helps
 
Arnie, thank you for taking the time to respond to my question and elaborate on your wonderful system. It's obvious you've taken your system to obsessive heights (in a good way) most of us can only dream of. Your system must sound superb!

I hope to hear more about the infrastructural buildout for your system: acoustic treatments, architectural buildout, etc.). The gear can be another epic thread.:D

cheers
 
Arnie, thank you for taking the time to respond to my question and elaborate on your wonderful system. It's obvious you've taken your system to obsessive heights (in a good way) most of us can only dream of. Your system must sound superb!

I hope to hear more about the infrastructural buildout for your system: acoustic treatments, architectural buildout, etc.). The gear can be another epic thread.:D

cheers

Hi Allen,

Thanks very much. I appreciate your warm comments.

If you have specific questions about my room construction, acoustic treatments, just let me know as I am happy to answer. Feel free to PM me on these topics as well.
 
Hi Lloyd,

I saw your earlier post in Kev's isolation thread I believe. Wow, that's intense! I'm not there yet, but hope to go back to your thread and pick yours and Kev's brain when I am there.
Feel free to ask anytime. It has been a very rewarding experiment and it took me longer and more effort at this stage to find the optimal setup than at any other time or any other component in my system. But it has clearly been worthwhile. Interestingly, there is still one more isolation stage I would venture to go...the HRS MXR Racks. Based on my experiments with the HRS M3/Nimbus Coupler vs Ultra 5 + Nimbus Coupler...I can only say I am totally prepared to believe those with whom I have spoken who own the HRS MXR Rack...that it is the end of the line on SOTA isolation. That, like dedicated power, probably comes with a dedicated room someday. Plus the cost of an MXR Rack is a whole other level higher. Right now, half my Ultra 5s are under speakers anyway (which the HRS system does not cater to)...and a set of 4 sit under the vertical standing Gryphon (which again does not suit HRS MXR)...so the cost of an MXR relative to the Ultra 5s I actually use in my equipment rack is something like 5x times more expensive...what a hobby! ;)
 
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