Power Conditioner use and recommendations for systems with Preamp/Source separated from Amp(s) ....

Joe, I'm running my Soulution pre. Meitner dac, & the 2 active speakers:- 800w draw, out of it as well as the apple tv, tv, etc at 25% of draw capacity. It really is a clean, clean sound. Deeper into the depth of the recording could be expressed.......




 
That's great news. I have an older PP2000 that I plan on swapping the outlets with MIT's if I have the room inside there. I'll stay with mine until the new year then get the outlet done and and swap for the PP3000.



sharkmouth said:
Joe, I'm running my Soulution pre. Meitner dac, & the 2 active speakers:- 800w draw, out of it as well as the apple tv, tv, etc at 25% of draw capacity. It really is a clean, clean sound. Deeper into the depth of the recording could be expressed.......
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A Shunyata Triton for everything but the amps, and a Shunyata Cyclops for the amps. If anybody understands power, it is Caelin Gabriel, the founder of Shunyata. Neither conditioner limits current, and the only active component in both pieces is the breaker in the Triton. The Cyclops even omits that in order to give the amps the cleanest possible AC.

I currently have both, along with Zytron Anaconda power cables to the wall. I only have one dedicated 20 amp circuit, and they both use it, and work very nice together. I have just about convinced myself to buy the Typhoon, an add-on component for the Triton. Triton/Typhoon users swear it makes the background noiseless, and music just appears from nothing.
 
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I agree 100%

I have a Triton/ Typhon combo for all my source, preamp and crossovers and a separate triton/typhon for my amps. They are great.

As Caelin says - there are always trade offs with every methodology and people need to try the various ones and then decide what works for them. If you love next door to a factory you have different needs than if you love next to a power station.





BlueFox said:
A Shunyata Triton for everything but the amps, and a Shunyata Cyclops for the amps. If anybody understands power, it is Caelin Gabriel, the founder of Shunyata. Neither conditioner limits current, and the only active component in both pieces is the breaker in the Triton. The Cyclops even omits that in order to give the amps the cleanest possible AC.

I currently have both, along with Zytron Anaconda power cables to the wall. I only have one dedicated 20 amp circuit, and they both use it, and work very nice together. I have just about convinced myself to buy the Typhoon, an add-on component for the Triton. Triton/Typhoon users swear it makes the background noiseless, and music just appears from nothing.
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I have consider a better Power Conditioner for a long time, and I still use my Hydra 8 ver. 2 on my Home theater powering my Denon 5800, the Oppo 83 ES, the MK 350 Subs are straight to the wall, and does an excellent job. I used to have the Hydra8 in my HiFi system and found the Isoclean PT-3030 IV Transformer to do a better Job (took a veal out of the music). The set up was 2 Isoclean, one for the amp and the other for the source, and then change one Isoclean for the amp and the rest on the other. And yes I used the Hydra with my ex Mcintosh 60th anniversary pre and amps, but when I switch to ARC the amp work better straight to the wall. The Isoclean transformer does great with pre and source. I have considered the Audience but not sure with Shunyata.
 
iamhifi said:
I have consider a better Power Conditioner for a long time, and I still use my Hydra 8 ver. 2 on my Home theater powering my Denon 5800, the Oppo 83 ES, the MK 350 Subs are straight to the wall, and does an excellent job. I used to have the Hydra8 in my HiFi system and found the Isoclean PT-3030 IV Transformer to do a better Job (took a veal out of the music). The set up was 2 Isoclean, one for the amp and the other for the source, and then change one Isoclean for the amp and the rest on the other. And yes I used the Hydra with my ex Mcintosh 60th anniversary pre and amps, but when I switch to ARC the amp work better straight to the wall. The Isoclean transformer does great with pre and source. I have considered the Audience but not sure with Shunyata.
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Great stuff...what was the difference in sound between using the Isoclean 3030 and your Hydra? (besides the veil which you mention...anything more specific if you can?) Thank you!!!
 
With the Shubyata line the only conditioners I would recommend using w amps are the triton and Cyclops.


iamhifi said:
I have consider a better Power Conditioner for a long time, and I still use my Hydra 8 ver. 2 on my Home theater powering my Denon 5800, the Oppo 83 ES, the MK 350 Subs are straight to the wall, and does an excellent job. I used to have the Hydra8 in my HiFi system and found the Isoclean PT-3030 IV Transformer to do a better Job (took a veal out of the music). The set up was 2 Isoclean, one for the amp and the other for the source, and then change one Isoclean for the amp and the rest on the other. And yes I used the Hydra with my ex Mcintosh 60th anniversary pre and amps, but when I switch to ARC the amp work better straight to the wall. The Isoclean transformer does great with pre and source. I have considered the Audience but not sure with Shunyata.
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Hi Joe,

In my system, I have gone the route of an isolation transformer that feeds the 20 amp dedicated outlets in my system. The isolation transformer that I use is from a company called Controlled Power Company. They make many different types of very high quality power solutions and I use one of their K rated isolation transformers. They make K rated transformers in various sizes starting at 5,000 watts and up from there depending on your needs. I use a 10,000 watt model that feeds 12 dedicated 20 amp outlets for my system.

These transformers take a 240 volt input from the main panel of your house that is fed by your utility company and then output 120. I then have a dedicated circuit breaker box that is fed from the isolation transformer. These transformers can be located outside of your house (with an exterior case) or perhaps in your garage. The resulting power quality is a pretty significant upgrade compared to just dedicated lines. The other interesting point about these transformers is their price. When I purchased mine about 5 years ago, including delivery charges it was around $4500. Most of the higher end standalone power conditioners that folks are referring to in this thread cost about this or more - like the latest Shunyata products. I think for example the Triton/Typhon combination is something around $10K. Obviously you need an electrician to install an isolation transformer, but since you already have dedicated lines, the hard work is mostly done.

I now have 2 other audio friends who went ahead and have had isolation transformers from Controlled Power Company installed for their systems and couldn't be happier with the sonic improvements.

I'd be happy to answer any questions that i can about what did for my power distribution system, but I would encourage you take a look at their web site. (I tried to post a link but your forum would't let me do that as I apparently don't have enough posts!)

Hope that helps somewhat
 
Hi Arnie,

Thank you so much for the info. I am not sure I could go that route but I will look into it.
 
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Hey Guy's

I have to comment on this power discussion. I have a complete Accuphase setup with a pair of A200' and a C3800 with Raidho D3's. I have experienced the same popping of the small drivers that everyone talks about with mid bass at moderate to high volumes. I also have made the tweeters rattle with opera style music, female vocals at higher volumes.i have 2 dedicated 20 amp circuits for my equipment. I put an Accuphase Ps520 in my system and discovered that I had 5% distortion on my line. The Accuphase removed the distortion to 0. I plugged my preamp and CD player into the 520. The amps still go directly to the wall. I immediately noticed tighter bass, vocals were more coherent and the system seemed to have better control of the music from top to bottom . We played a track that made the D3's pop at -26 on the preamp volume. With the 520 in my system you could now go to -18 on the volume and still no popping of the drivers. I was also not able to make the tweeter rattle. I have never been a fan of power conditioners for the same reasons you guy's are stating. But in my system it worked some magic that I would have never imagined. Cool thing about it is that I had a friend there that heard the results as well. We were both scratching our heads. Bottom line is some power conditioners can be very effective, insuring your components are getting the required power that is needed for your components to perform as they were designed to.
 
I could say the Isoclean is an Isolation transformer at the plug. Inside there is a huge transformer, a resistor and a switch. Then one power cord goes to the wall and the other to an Isoclean strip or the rectangular 206 or 204 to connect your gear. How does it sound? Not only I experience a veil out of the music, but everything sounds like the system and not the power source. I can hear more micro detail, clear mids and better stage. Again that was against the Shunyata Hydra 8 v2 and not the new Audience or Triton. I thought the hydra with the Mcintosh gear was good but made it all to mellow. One of these days I'm going to put it on my ARC gear to see what happens.
 
Great news David!

I love the Accuphase gear and I need to check out the PS-520.

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My friend swears by his PS-1220. He says it makes the music smoother and more analog and tube like.
 
babybear said:
Hi Joe,

In my system, I have gone the route of an isolation transformer that feeds the 20 amp dedicated outlets in my system. The isolation transformer that I use is from a company called Controlled Power Company. They make many different types of very high quality power solutions and I use one of their K rated isolation transformers. They make K rated transformers in various sizes starting at 5,000 watts and up from there depending on your needs. I use a 10,000 watt model that feeds 12 dedicated 20 amp outlets for my system.

These transformers take a 240 volt input from the main panel of your house that is fed by your utility company and then output 120. I then have a dedicated circuit breaker box that is fed from the isolation transformer. These transformers can be located outside of your house (with an exterior case) or perhaps in your garage. The resulting power quality is a pretty significant upgrade compared to just dedicated lines. The other interesting point about these transformers is their price. When I purchased mine about 5 years ago, including delivery charges it was around $4500. Most of the higher end standalone power conditioners that folks are referring to in this thread cost about this or more - like the latest Shunyata products. I think for example the Triton/Typhon combination is something around $10K. Obviously you need an electrician to install an isolation transformer, but since you already have dedicated lines, the hard work is mostly done.

I now have 2 other audio friends who went ahead and have had isolation transformers from Controlled Power Company installed for their systems and couldn't be happier with the sonic improvements.

I'd be happy to answer any questions that i can about what did for my power distribution system, but I would encourage you take a look at their web site. (I tried to post a link but your forum would't let me do that as I apparently don't have enough posts!)

Hope that helps somewhat
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Arnie, curious, did you start out with an isolation transformer or did you start out with a more typical PLC type box, found it ineffective, and then moved to the isolation transformer? From what I've read, noise from the street isn't as bad as noise contributing from inside your house, hence PLCs. Very interested in your journey.

Thx
 
iamhifi said:
I could say the Isoclean is an Isolation transformer at the plug. Inside there is a huge transformer, a resistor and a switch. Then one power cord goes to the wall and the other to an Isoclean strip or the rectangular 206 or 204 to connect your gear. How does it sound? Not only I experience a veil out of the music, but everything sounds like the system and not the power source. I can hear more micro detail, clear mids and better stage. Again that was against the Shunyata Hydra 8 v2 and not the new Audience or Triton. I thought the hydra with the Mcintosh gear was good but made it all to mellow. One of these days I'm going to put it on my ARC gear to see what happens.
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Thanks. Would love to hear it someday. Not so easy to find.
 
socfan12 said:
My friend swears by his PS-1220. He says it makes the music smoother and more analog and tube like.
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Have heard the same from others who have tried this one...my voicing is now so 'exact' to what I want to hear, I do wonder what would happen if I put it in...always tricky! After my most recent round of isolation...which required quite a lot of setup/re-setup to get back to the original voicing (but with far far greater clarity, extension, depth, detail, decay, etc)...I am ever more cautious these days. Nevertheless, I do love my Transparent Ref Power conditioner...and wonder what these other SOTA pieces would do.
 
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