NuVista 800's in the shop

Mike, sounds like a no-brainer, love the looks too. :woot:
 
When The Nu-Vista 300 Power came out in 1999 it was even more special and unique than the 800 is now. I remember that it outperformed the best Naim monoblocks at that time. I had brought them wiht me to audition the B&W 802Nautilus. I never forget the face of the Naim dealer. Later I heard from the distributer of Musical Fidelity that he became a dealer. Musical Fidelity alway made unique amps. I did the presentation for MF of the Tri-vista when it came out in the Netherlands. It had great value for the price. And I think the 800 will be the same thing. The first Nu-vista did not have any XLR in or output. I would have been extreme happy with only one xlr input that time!!

I also like the design, can you switch off the green light? Those things I never liked.
 
The limitation of MF against Pass Labs is still stage depth and width!! I owned, sold and tested it a lot!!
 
Not this one, but properties in stage depth and width seldom change that much. As I said before I test every individual tool for properties. Same as with brands. When you compare brands you understand the differences in sound and in stage depth and width. As differences in individual focus. My photographic momory in sound remembers all the parts for what I call Total sound. When you have done thousends of tests with audio properties become more clear. I have been addicted for a long time on testing. It was never enough. This is the main reason that I judge audio for properties. I use properties to create my sound. I call this Total sounds. All parts always need to be there and exactly as they should be.

What is the 'absolute' sound? It is like a blueprint of the Original. So what is needed to create this what I call TOTAL SOUND. Which parts needs to be there?

Soundrealism; I want instruments to sound like they sound in real. Sound is very important how it influences your emotion. I love the sound of a violin in real. I hate demos with violins when they sound so different. Another example is when you use a recording with 2 different acoustic guitars. I want to hear exactly the difference between them. For this part I love Pass Labs amps who can do this very precise.

3-Dimensional soundstage; I love those speakers who are able to create a stage what is far behind, beside and even in front of the speaker at the same moment. This gives you the freedom on focussing on every single instrument or voice of the recording. This is priceless. This make listening so much more fun. It gives me a big smile on my face all the time. I want to hear the room were it was recorded. The level of decay makes the image wider and deeper.

A sharp individual focus of instruments and voices. Or what I call intimate sound. Listening to instruments and voices during intimate concerts learned me how small they are in proportion. This part is also very important for the extra emotion it can give. When instruments and voices ( at many shows this mistake is made often) are too big in proportion the distance between you and the music is bigger. There is less emotion and you are not pulled into the music as it should be.

Blacks; The space between the instruments and voices with there acoustic information of the recoding room. The level in blacks make a very big influence in what it does with your emotion. Instruments and voices become so much more apparent. Just like instuments and voices are playing in front of you. You can touch them and point out exactly were they are. The germans use the word; Darstellung.

timing/speed: How better the speed how better the realism in the overwhole sound will become. I had often less acoustic problems when the speed became better. It gives you more different layers of the lowest freq. Every part of the recording becomes so much easier to hear. More details become apparent. Professional roomacoustic measuring gives me the first time of what I call 'Stealth'low freq. This makes the subwoofer fully dissapear. And even the energy of an instrument comes from the place were it was recorded.

resolution; You want to hear as much information/details as possible. But.......the details must be placed at the right place of the recording. Often you can hear lots of details, but you don't know exactly were they come from.

air: you need the air around instruments/voices to hear them loose from eachother. This level in separation makes listeinig to music much more appealing.

a big freq. response; How lower your system goes, how much more information of the recording you can hear. This extra information gives us humans a more emotional feeling then when a system does not go that low. Even if we can hear to 20khz max,higher freq. still influence our brains. Above 20 kHz can make a difference.

articulation of voices; this is a part what got my attention after using professional roomacoustic measuring. This became so much more apparent then I ever could hear. Even at shows and many demos with the most expensive highend it was not this easy to hear. We are talking about word endings like sss,ttt and th. But also the breathing of singers and even the moving of lips.

hights; you want to hear the differences in hights of voices and instruments. When you use the best cables this part becomes so much earier to hear.
 
Just listen before you judge something. Musical Fidelity has learned a few things in 15 years.

Is it as good as my Pass XS combo? Of course not....but for an integrated - it beats all the Pass integrated amps I've heard....by a mile....


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Pass Labs does not make any good integrated, that is a fact. I tested them as well, I didn't like one of them. My personal opinion is that Pass Labs make stunning amps, good pre amps and average integrated amps. For the money ( I saw a price of 8000 pounds) I can create a wider and deeper stage. My focus is based on what can I create for a price. Also the KW amps were poor in depth. The new class A amps were not a big succes of MF. I sold MF till 2009. Also the 1008 series were all poor in depth. Audio is about comparing and using all the properties a tool owns to the max.

You only can use all the properties of a Pass Labs amp when your speaker is capable of all these parts. Most speakers in audioshop use average and poor crossovers. This you can easily hear by the stage. Use poweramps and pre amps which can build a wide and deep stage. When you will compare all kinds of brands and speakers you will find out how big the differences are in stage depth and width.

3 dimensional sound has made it a lot easier for me to compete. Because when you explain first what it is and after this you give a demo people are exited. And you can send them to any shop you like. They come back laughing. And that is why the best and most convincing sound always wins. This is the thing I like most of my job. It is that simple, and that is why you need to keep it as simple and clear for every single person.
 
The Dali Epicon 8's with the NuVista 800 is a combo I would recommend - without hesitation - all day long.


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Bo1972 said:
Pass Labs does not make any good integrated, that is a fact. I tested them as well, I didn't like one of them. My personal opinion is that Pass Labs make stunning amps, good pre amps and average integrated amps. For the money ( I saw a price of 8000 pounds) I can create a wider and deeper stage. My focus is based on what can I create for a price. Also the KW amps were poor in depth. The new class A amps were not a big succes of MF. I sold MF till 2009. Also the 1008 series were all poor in depth. Audio is about comparing and using all the properties a tool owns to the max.

You only can use all the properties of a Pass Labs amp when your speaker is capable of all these parts. Most speakers in audioshop use average and poor crossovers. This you can easily hear by the stage. Use poweramps and pre amps which can build a wide and deep stage. When you will compare all kinds of brands and speakers you will find out how big the differences are in stage depth and width.

3 dimensional sound has made it a lot easier for me to compete. Because when you explain first what it is and after this you give a demo people are exited. And you can send them to any shop you like. They come back laughing. And that is why the best and most convincing sound always wins. This is the thing I like most of my job. It is that simple, and that is why you need to keep it as simple and clear for every single person.
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Curious inconsistency in your comments - you admit that the "the best and most convincing sound always wins" but you seem to want to insist that it's your opinion as a dealer that actually wins. Why not take the high (and logical road) and simply admit that you haven't heard the NuVista . Mike has and until such time as you have , it's a specious argument to have about what MF gear sounded like in some previous lifetime. In days of old , Krell & Levinson gear sounded great - that has no bearing on how they sound todayBased upon my experience - I have had nothing but poor experiences with the Pass XA-200.5 amps , I couldn't get rid of them fast enough. But that's just my experience and I am happy to admit others may have different outturns ...but I had to listen to them first before I could venture a meaningful opinion.
 
Bob, sage advice, lets keep it real & not in the twilight zone of I think & therefore it is.
 
Thanks Kev !! That's the one (and I bet only time) I've ever been described as sage . Red Letter Day for me :yahoo1:
 
3 dimensional sound with a physical individual focus is a lot more involving and exiting to listen compared to most 2 dimensional sound. Or against no depth with a less sharp individual focus. This has nothing to do with a personal taste. It is much more easy. You explain about sound and music. And about 3 D sound. After this you give a demo. Other shops give demos as well. It is not up to me to make a decision. This year I sold 4 complete sets to people who didn't know me. And I didn't know them. The heard a system of a client of mine. They were impressed by the kind of sound. So they phoned me and said; we heard a system and we want this kind of sound. That is how I work. And that is why I say: the best and most convincing sound always will win. Last year I did presentations for Onkyo. And I wanted all freedom. They give it to me. I used my own set. The editor of the biggest audio magazine called Onkyo after the show to say thay my set was the absolute sound and he was very impressed. Mhifi minded people came to me and said the same: We heard many sets, but your set is by far the best. It is very easy and clear to create a sound what people prefer.

I never met people who preferd a more 2 dimensional sound. The same about an intimate stage. This has nothing to do with taste. That is why I always say: I create and sell emotion. So you use all parts to create the highest level of emotion in sound.
 
I see that you use a RP-1. I sold it and I tested it. The system is not good. Because it limits many parts of the overal sound. Often Lyngdorf have one of the worst sounds. For example the show were people called met he absolute sound. Many people were also talking about the worst sound of the show. This was Lyngdorf. I audioned it myself. There was no depth, voices and instruments were much too big and the overall sound was very flat without any emotion. I was focussing to the people of Lyngdorf and I was convinced that they didn't know how poor their sound was. A few distributers asked me to listen to it, because it was the worst they heard. And yes it was.

You cannot put any amp into the rest of your system and it will work. Because all the properties of the other tools in your set togheter define if it will work. That is why I said: Audio is all about properties.
 
Bo1972 said:
3 dimensional sound with a physical individual focus is a lot more involving and exiting to listen compared to most 2 dimensional sound. Or against no depth with a less sharp individual focus. This has nothing to do with a personal taste. It is much more easy. You explain about sound and music. And about 3 D sound. After this you give a demo. Other shops give demos as well. It is not up to me to make a decision. This year I sold 4 complete sets to people who didn't know me. And I didn't know them. The heard a system of a client of mine. They were impressed by the kind of sound. So they phoned me and said; we heard a system and we want this kind of sound. That is how I work. And that is why I say: the best and most convincing sound always will win. Last year I did presentations for Onkyo. And I wanted all freedom. They give it to me. I used my own set. The editor of the biggest audio magazine called Onkyo after the show to say thay my set was the absolute sound and he was very impressed. Mhifi minded people came to me and said the same: We heard many sets, but your set is by far the best. It is very easy and clear to create a sound what people prefer.

I never met people who preferd a more 2 dimensional sound. The same about an intimate stage. This has nothing to do with taste. That is why I always say: I create and sell emotion. So you use all parts to create the highest level of emotion in sound.
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Let me summarize this and all future posts....nut job...
 
Bo1972 said:
I see that you use a RP-1. I sold it and I tested it. The system is not good. Because it limits many parts of the overal sound. Often Lyngdorf have one of the worst sounds. For example the show were people called met he absolute sound. Many people were also talking about the worst sound of the show. This was Lyngdorf. I audioned it myself. There was no depth, voices and instruments were much too big and the overall sound was very flat without any emotion. I was focussing to the people of Lyngdorf and I was convinced that they didn't know how poor their sound was. A few distributers asked me to listen to it, because it was the worst they heard. And yes it was.

You cannot put any amp into the rest of your system and it will work. Because all the properties of the other tools in your set togheter define if it will work. That is why I said: Audio is all about properties.
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This is sounding more like gibberish to me the longer you go in your current Master of the Universe vein . Here's the really strange thing - I LIKE my RP-1 , I LIKE room correction , I LIKE the sound of my system . And I don't have to couch those judgements in pseudo-audiophile terms or justify it to anyone . So give us a break and just re-direct your nervous energy in some other direction.
 
You are allowed to be happy with your Lyngdorf. Same thing can be said about Pass amps.
 
Bo1972 said:
You are allowed to be happy with your Lyngdorf. Same thing can be said about Pass amps.
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I am allowed to be happy ? Thank you so very much - I'm so grateful for your generous concession , I was getting worried there that someone was going to come and take my Lyngdorf away from me. :dontgetcocky:
 
Mike- how does it compare with your Luxman Class A gear?

I always found MF gear a bit soft sounding, although have not heard a Nuvista (old or new). I've never heard anything remarkable about Pass Labs integrateds either- i think that has something to do with the preamp stage.
 
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