New Magico speakers arriving 04/2015!

Top module has to have full isolation, if not the bass would interfere with the midrange driver , this could be a complete sealed top chamber separating top from bottom or a sealed chamber internally only for the mid driver.
 
BlueFox said:
More Munich reports from Stereophile.

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Thanks for posting the link Bud. I was particularly interested in Jason's comment that the corridor rooms in the Atrium were extremely problematic acoustically (where both Magico rooms were situated). His comments also suggested that the Constellation amps (despite partnering well with the S5's at other shows) were not quite keeping up with Magico's latest offering. Yet despite the S7 being just a "work in progress" as Alon remarked, less than optimal partnering amps & the endemic acoustic issues, Jason thought the S7's sounded "quite good". Jeff Fritz evidently spent more time in this room and went further in his commentary. I'd call that a good first outing for the prototype S7! :audiophile:.
 
Magico has posted details on the S7. As speculated, the mid is in an enclosure like the S3, and it appears to be a single cabinet versus separate modules. Anyway, looks good on paper, and I suspect sounds good also.

Magico Loudspeakers | S7
 
BlueFox said:
Magico has posted details on the S7. As speculated, the mid is in an enclosure like the S3, and it appears to be a single cabinet versus separate modules. Anyway, looks good on paper, and I suspect sounds good also.

Magico Loudspeakers | S7
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The S3 encolusure works miracles on the midrange. It's a considerable improvement over the S5 midrange, which is missing the details a bit. Will be interesting to hear it in a proper S7, I guess by now everyone has heard Munich was an early effort and the S7 can do considerably better in a more suitable environment.

Another thing Magico should really pay attention to is the footers. The S3s took a leap forward when I put them on Stillpoints.

As to amplification, not mentioned here but Ayre made a jump in performance with the Twenty upgrades. Received my five series Twenty upgrades back a short while ago and must say they are now an incredible pairing with the S3. The amps' microdetail capability is well complemented and the gain in colour, bass and tonality is very nicely passed through, as the Magicos just throw back at you what you put upstream.
 
Kuoppis said:
Another thing Magico should really pay attention to is the footers. The S3s took a leap forward when I put them on Stillpoints.
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They do pay attention to the footers. It looks to me like they are using similar footers as the M-Pros which are fantastic. Stillpoints will degrade the sound. You may prefer the degraded sound (just like some people prefer some amount of distortion), but it is easily evident if you know what to listen for.
 
madfloyd said:
They do pay attention to the footers. It looks to me like they are using similar footers as the M-Pros which are fantastic. Stillpoints will degrade the sound. You may prefer the degraded sound (just like some people prefer some amount of distortion), but it is easily evident if you know what to listen for.
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+1
 
madfloyd said:
They do pay attention to the footers. It looks to me like they are using similar footers as the M-Pros which are fantastic. Stillpoints will degrade the sound. You may prefer the degraded sound (just like some people prefer some amount of distortion), but it is easily evident if you know what to listen for.
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That's an interesting point of view and a first.

As you appear to invest in boys toys a bit, based on your experience, what would you recommend as the optimum solution? Out of factory the S3s come with very regular spikes.

I think I will also ask Magico the same question.
 
madfloyd said:
They do pay attention to the footers. It looks to me like they are using similar footers as the M-Pros which are fantastic. Stillpoints will degrade the sound. You may prefer the degraded sound (just like some people prefer some amount of distortion), but it is easily evident if you know what to listen for.
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As a matter of fact, I do actually hear some slight distortion with some music (e.g. Beyond the Double Bass/ Renaud García-Fons), when playing jet landing level. So it might be the Stillpoints react to vibration caused by certain frequencies. It is not with all music (independent of volume), so I thought it might be the amp getting settled after the rework.

Recommendations appreciated.
 
What's your system?

The obvious answer is just to know the level at which the vibrations occur and listen below that.

Have you tried backing away the Stillpoints a half or full turn?
 
Hello Face,

That's what I thought as well, especially as my poweramp has just gone through a major overhaul, where basically all power management has been rebuilt. These amps usually take about 500 hours to settle after an upgrade.

Not aware of Stillpoints actually causing distortion either, pretty much the exact opposite is what people typically report. Maybe that is the case when the speakers just sit on top of the Stillpoints, but mine are fastened tight with big screws.
 
Mike said:
What's your system?

The obvious answer is just to know the level at which the vibrations occur and listen below that.

Have you tried backing away the Stillpoints a half or full turn?
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Hi Mike,

I indeed played with the Stillpoints a bit, but no significant change was audible. I guess it's the electronics needing some time to settle after an upgrade, power compression was suggested as a possible cause. And you are right, the level where it kicks in is way beyond my comfortable listening level.

You see my system in the footnote, basically Ayre Twenty pre and power amp, Meitner DAC, Magico speakers, WyWires cables, Shunyata power, Stillpoints under components and speakers.
 
Kuoppis said:
Not aware of Stillpoints actually causing distortion either, pretty much the exact opposite is what people typically report. Maybe that is the case when the speakers just sit on top of the Stillpoints, but mine are fastened tight with big screws.
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Note that I didn't say Stillpoints would cause distortion; I said they would degrade the sound. The bass will no longer be able to start and stop as quickly and you will get smearing in the lower frequencies which will in turn affect other areas of the presentation. For example, you will probably hear 'more' bass due to this, but the quality of the bass will not be as good.

Then again, that may just suit your tastes and if so, fine, but it's not something any speaker manufacturer is going to do, especially Magico who have worked so hard to get tight articulate bass...
 
madfloyd said:
Note that I didn't say Stillpoints would cause distortion; I said they would degrade the sound. The bass will no longer be able to start and stop as quickly and you will get smearing in the lower frequencies which will in turn affect other areas of the presentation. For example, you will probably hear 'more' bass due to this, but the quality of the bass will not be as good.

Then again, that may just suit your tastes and if so, fine, but it's not something any speaker manufacturer is going to do, especially Magico who have worked so hard to get tight articulate bass...
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Hi Madfloyd,

That is an interesting view, need to think about how that would technically work. Intuitively at least it seems like with less resonance in the cabinet through absorbtion devices sound degration should also be less. Further, the ratio of membrane movement in relation to cabinet vibration should not change, as that is not affected by the footers. So what might cause the degradation?

So how does that work, care to elaborate? Would be interesting to know. And how is that question addressed in the M Project to avoid sound degradation, it looks like they are standing on QPods or something. Are those not also absorbtion devices, at least those babies are not standing on spikes judging from the pictures.
 
I remember a friend of mine saying, Stillpoints all day long on digital sources/DAC's, Wilson speakers, Focal speakers and many other types of speakers, even preamps, but he tried them under his S5's and preferred without. YMMV.
 
Mike said:
I remember a friend of mine saying, Stillpoints all day long on digital sources/DAC's, Wilson speakers, Focal speakers and many other types of speakers, even preamps, but he tried them under his S5's and preferred without. YMMV.
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Ok, I understand. I think I would concur with that statement. Magico does not equal Magico, they have different strengths IMHO.

If you compare e.g. the Q3, S3 and S5, they are all different animals. The Q3 is the most detailed and neutral of them, the S3 in the middle taking the S range mids to a new level through the new subenclosure and a tight and controlled bass through introduction of the aluminum membranes and the S5 with the most voluminous bass of the bunch.

I think the first two might actually benefit from the Stillpoints, while I might not put them under the S5. With this caviot I absolutely concur with Madfloyd's statement. In addition, it is always a question of acoustics and placement what kind of accessories you want along with your speakers, whether it is bass traps, other acoustic treatment or maybe footers which will suit your setup.
 
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