Magico S3 mk2

Apologies for getting a little off topic here, but regarding advances in speaker diaphragm materials, you may have seen the intro of the Yamaha NS-5000s at the Fall 2016 Tokyo Int'l Audio Show. All three drivers (tweeter, midrange, and base) feature Zylon diaphragms at a somewhat affordable price level.

Yes, I've seen those, but didn't have the time to listen to them just yet.
 
I have looked more closely at Paradigm and it seems that they use pure berillium dome and pure berillium midrange diaphragm. AFAIK this may be in fact the first to use a pure berillium midrange driver in the world (the TAD one is Vapor Deposited Berillium).

In their marketing materials thae state that the diaphragm is made from TruExtent Pure Berillium, which points to Materion Electrfusion INC - the very same company that supplies Focal, Scan Speak, Seas etc.

I've heard the Persona 9H and 3F they're very nice speakers provided they are paired with the right electronics. With the wrong combination it can sound somewhat forward, bright and thin. Surprisingly, the Krell Vanguard integrated really works well with the Persona.
 
I've heard the Persona 9H and 3F they're very nice speakers provided they are paired with the right electronics. With the wrong combination it can sound somewhat forward, bright and thin. Surprisingly, the Krell Vanguard integrated really works well with the Persona.

That has been my experience as well.
 
Magico informed my dealer that my S3's in Titanium "should" ship at the end of next week. Waiting is brutal. How I can be 3-4 weeks behind Mike when I ordered on the first possible day is an unanswered question. Maybe they think Canadians are patient?
 
Magico informed my dealer that my S3's in Titanium "should" ship at the end of next week. Waiting is brutal. How I can be 3-4 weeks behind Mike when I ordered on the first possible day is an unanswered question. Maybe they think Canadians are patient?

I ordered mine in August - before there was any mention of S3 mk2. [emoji16]

Did you go M Coat? That finish takes a little longer.


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M-Coat Titanium, which I think is identical to yours. I get it now. I bought on the pre-sale, you bought on the pre-pre-whisper-sale.
 
I'm at 250 hours now. Just gave them a listen. Bass has come alive. Wider soundstage. Things are really opening up. The disappearing act has increased.

I took a quick screenshot from my spectrum analyzer playing music.

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Pink noise from listening position:

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Pink noise at 1m:

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What app have used to take that measurements ? If the (iPhone ?) mic can be trusted, you seem to have very even room response, esp. in the bass.
 
I'm at 250 hours now. Just gave them a listen. Bass has come alive. Wider soundstage. Things are really opening up. The disappearing act has increased.

I took a quick screenshot from my spectrum analyzer playing music.

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Pink noise from listening position:

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Pink noise at 1m:

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You have a dip at around 125Hz. I have the same in my room, albeit more pronounced from my listening position. There's a set of steps in the back of the room that leaves me no choice but to put my listening chair away from the rear wall (which is where the entranceway is to the room). I'm thinking of inverting the room, which would leave my equipment rack at the base of the steps. That would leave me the option to get my chair closer to the rear wall. This may be able to help me smooth out the bass response. I just worry that someone may trip over the speaker cables when coming off the stairs. It may be time to get a lock for my listening room door.
 
You have a dip at around 125Hz...


Where do you see a dip, you can’t measure bass/room interaction at 1M. The one to look at is the one form the listening position which is text book, almost too good to be true.
 
Where do you see a dip, you can’t measure bass/room interaction at 1M. The one to look at is the one form the listening position which is text book, almost too good to be true.

My mistake. I did 't realize I was looking at the 1m graph.
 
Graphs are fun. So are video games. But thats a different forum.

BUT getting back to topic - I trust Mikes ears on bass as over the years we have had so many discussions and many joint listening sessions at different various places over the country that I totally trust his ears on bass.
 
Tried to replicate the same measurement with the S3, pink noise 1 m:

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The program is called Spectrum Analyzer:



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Hi Mike and guys here
I just wondering that Magico S3 MK2 use the new driver bass so if now i try to spend more money on S5 MK2 , is that worth ? Because i know that S5 mk2 still use the old driver bass. Just worry that become backward soon
Thank you
 
Hi Mike and guys here
I just wondering that Magico S3 MK2 use the new driver bass so if now i try to spend more money on S5 MK2 , is that worth ? Because i know that S5 mk2 still use the old driver bass. Just worry that become backward soon
Thank you

Even more important, will Magico make the new S5 future woofers with the same screw hole template so that existing S5 MKII can be upgraded to the new woofers. Of course, I am perfectly happy with my S5s as is. :)
 
TBH - and I'm speakeing as an ex-S5 mk 2 owner here, which has the aluminium cone vs CF in my new M3 - the cone matrial in bass driver doesn't really matter that much. They need to have certain mass to reach low resonant freq [fs] anyway, and with that much mass you can make the cone almost perfectly stiff. Shure, CF may have more internal damping and have smoother FR on its top end (say over 1kHz), but then again - that would only matter if you were building a 2-way, not a 3-way with 6" mid driver, where the woofers are crossed over very low.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised, if Magico changed the cone material for looks only, to match the mid driver and make the product stand out more vs the competition (hey, we have CF woofers and you don't !).

IMO making your buying desicion on the woofer cone material used, makes absolutely no sense at all.

The S5 mk 2 is such a terrific speaker, that I expect them to be in production for at least 3 more years.
 
Looks like I will get to hear the S3mk2 at Brooks Berdan in May after they arrive - they are also bringing the speaker to LAAS and will demo with Chord or Jadis 120s.
 
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