Magico S3 mk2

BayStBroker said:
My pair of S3 Mk2s should ship next week (same colour as Mike's). As long as Prime Minister Trudeau doesn't retaliate against President Trump's Muslim ban by introducing a Magico ban, I should be experiencing the new S3s before April Fools Day. (Although Kuoppis might think it apt if the arrived right on April 1st). I bought the BHK300s with the intention to use them with S3s, and I've been waiting a long time.
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Mark, congrats! I am sure you will love the combo! Please post pics when they arrive!
 
BayStBroker said:
My pair of S3 Mk2s should ship next week (same colour as Mike's). As long as Prime Minister Trudeau doesn't retaliate against President Trump's Muslim ban by introducing a Magico ban, I should be experiencing the new S3s before April Fools Day. (Although Kuoppis might think it apt if the arrived right on April 1st). I bought the BHK300s with the intention to use them with S3s, and I've been waiting a long time.
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Congrats, great choice. There might be elements to Magico business approach I do not fully appreciate, but I am absolute sure it is a truly superb speaker.

I will probably have a peek listening to it myself in Munich (even though the acoustic conditions at the show are not good) and would be keen to hear your thoughts.


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Melbguy1 said:
Partly yes. But keep in mind the S5 Mk2's bass units have been designed for wide, even frequency response down to 20Hz & to move a lot of air. It would seem for Magico's needs the coated aluminum diaphragm and graphene/carbon Nano-tec dust cap ticked all the boxes. Think about what diaphragm Magico use for the Q Sub 15?
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Good points about the aluminum woofers. But if that's the case, why then move away from that concept in the S3 mk2? Also, the M Pro pretty much kills that argument.

If we follow the line of thought made a couple times on this thread, that Magico always implements new technology advancements in the next model it launches, then we have:

S3 introduces aluminum woofer => S7 => S5 mk2.

M Pro introduces graphene woofers => M3 => S3 mk2.

Ergo: Aluminum woofers have been replaced by graphene woofers.

Then we now have two fairly recent S series models in the range just waiting for a mk2, respective mk3 replacement to also benefit from the graphene woofers. And I am pretty confident the next S series launches will feature those.


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Melbguy1 said:
I did say I thought cost was partly the reason.
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Well, sorry Sir, but I'm afraid now your logic has left you hanging.

Are you suggesting, that it is economically viable to put two 9" graphene woofers into a $30K speaker (S3 mk2), but not to put two 10" graphene woofers into a $40K speaker (S5 mk2) or three 10" graphene woofers into a $60K speaker (S7)?

You are aware that does not make any sense, right?


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Kuoppis said:
Well, sorry Sir, but I'm afraid now your logic has left you hanging.

Are you suggesting, that it is economically viable to put two 9" graphene woofers into a $30K speaker (S3 mk2), but not to put two 10" graphene woofers into a $40K speaker (S5 mk2) or three 10" graphene woofers into a $60K speaker (S7)?

You are aware that does not make any sense, right?


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Apology accepted.
 
Melbguy1 said:
Firstly, how much did the M Project cost? Secondly, I did say I thought cost considerations were partly the reason.
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Ha! You amended your statement afterwards, after my comment. That's cheating [emoji1].

But the argument still stands, actually both do:

a) My point about the MPro was that it proves the point, that based on Magico view, aluminum is not the superior material for woofers reaching down to very low frequencies - given that the MPro is Magico SOTA in floorstanders (reaches down to 20 MHz).

b) And even if the MPro is very costly, yet graphene woofers are viable in the S3 mk2s, thus there is no good reason why this superior material was used in the MPro - however not in the S7 and S5 mk2 launching later - but then again in the S3 mk2.


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Melbguy1 said:
Well that would imply that one of us is wrong, and I don't think I'm wrong.
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I am sure that is your thinking, otherwise it would not be meaningful to make such a statement, would it?


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Kuoppis said:
Ha! You amended your statement afterwards, after my comment. That's cheating [emoji1].

But the argument still stands, actually both do:

a) My point about the MPro was that it proves the point, that based on Magico view, aluminum is not the superior material for woofers reaching down to very low frequencies - given that the MPro is Magico SOTA in floorstanders (reaches down to 20 MHz).

b) And even if the MPro is very costly, yet graphene woofers are viable in the S3 mk2s, thus there is no good reason why this superior material was used in the MPro - however not in the S7 and S5 mk2 launching later - but then again in the S3 mk2.


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I wish you well in your career at Magico LLC.
 
Kuoppis said:
Congrats, great choice. There might be elements to Magico business approach I do not fully appreciate, but I am absolute sure it is a truly superb speaker.

I will probably have a peek listening to it myself in Munich (even though the acoustic conditions at the show are not good) and would be keen to hear your thoughts.


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Kuoppis,

I can see that. I think Magico's output is driven by Alon's desire to build the best speaker he possibly can throughout the lineup and to improve what he can when he can. I can understand that can be disconcerting to some from a business perspective. But as I said earlier, I really welcome Magico's innovations with each new speaker introduction; they are easily heard and appreciated.
 
socfan12 said:
I think Magico's output is driven by Alon's desire to build the best speaker he possibly can throughout the lineup and to improve what he can when he can. I can understand that can be disconcerting to some from a business perspective. But as I said earlier, I really welcome Magico's innovations with each new speaker introduction; they are easily heard and appreciated.
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That's a fair point and I am sure you will enjoy your new speakers. It will be interesting to hear how the new woofers impact the total package. Maybe the graphene woofers add a little of the M3 magic to the S3 mk2s.

Mike already said they sound great out of the box.


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socfan12 said:
Kuoppis,

I can see that. I think Magico's output is driven by Alon's desire to build the best speaker he possibly can throughout the lineup and to improve what he can when he can. I can understand that can be disconcerting to some from a business perspective. But as I said earlier, I really welcome Magico's innovations with each new speaker introduction; they are easily heard and appreciated.
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Magico can do all these and still make things easier for the customers to upgrade. They aren't mutually exclusive.
 
It all makes me wonder ... are we gonna see the S7 mk 2 next, with a convex top (the S7 is the last flat topped speaker in the whole S-lineup left, still in mk 1 form) and graphene woofers ? Munich 2018 maybe :rolleyes:
 
Kuoppis said:
S3 introduces aluminum woofer => S7 => S5 mk2.
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The aluminium woofer with a nanotubes/carbonfibre dust cap was first seen in the S5 mk 1, not the S3 mk 1.

The S3 mk 1 was the first speaker to utilise the eliptical midrange sub-enclosure made of a polymer material that was later incorporated in S7 and S5 mk 2 designs.
 
Hey Mike,
Any update on how the new S3's are sounding? I assume you've been playing them round the clock to burn them in. Have you had a chance to listen this weekend to some music?
 
BayStBroker said:
Hey Mike,
Any update on how the new S3's are sounding? I assume you've been playing them round the clock to burn them in. Have you had a chance to listen this weekend to some music?
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Still burning in. Will do some initial critical listening in a week.


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