Magico S3 mk2 vs Dynaudio Contour 60

I don't hear worlds between these speakers. Yes the S3 mk2s are better overall. They are flawless. Appreciably better, but IMHO it is not apples and oranges. I keep banging on about it but the bass isn't as big - you can't feel it. It is more precise however. Maybe it is the music I listen to that leads me to like a bigger bass sound. Maybe it is not possible to get that big bass sound and have it nicely integrated into the overall soundscape.

Will wait until the dealer gets the S-sub hooked up and will let everyone know how it sounds, including in comparison to the a S7s (deal doesn't have the 5s).

This is all a hell of a lot of fun!
 
LVB said:
Unfortunately not really. There is a big price to pay for the extra oomph you get form a port, smearing, resolution and extension, it gets old really fast. You need to readjust your propriety a bit , it will be worth it. Once you get accustom to the Magico bass, you would not be able to go back, nor would you remember what you were hearing before that you liked on these ported design.
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Interesting comment. Thanks.
 
AJR said:
I don't hear worlds between these speakers. Yes the S3 mk2s are better overall. They are flawless. Appreciably better, but IMHO it is not apples and oranges. I keep banging on about it but the bass isn't as big - you can't feel it. It is more precise however. Maybe it is the music I listen to that leads me to like a bigger bass sound. Maybe it is not possible to get that big bass sound and have it nicely integrated into the overall soundscape.

Will wait until the dealer gets the S-sub hooked up and will let everyone know how it sounds, including in comparison to the a S7s (deal doesn't have the 5s).

This is all a hell of a lot of fun!
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And it should be [emoji3].

The S7 should be able to do more bass. But if you are in the market for some strong bass punching you in the gut I would try the Dali Epicon 8 in the price range of the Dyns and maybe Wilson Sashas in the S3 mk2 range.

But as has been stated by others, with the ports you lose definition.

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Wow -- that is quite a sweeping statement! Have you personally auditioned every speaker Dynaudio has ever made? I suspect you have not even heard the Contour 60 (let alone the flagship of the Confidence series and the Consequence speakers) . If we decided one speaker was superior to the other based upon just specs & measurements, I guess we can just read a magazine's measurements and make our speaker buying choice. Regarding choice of driver material, what about speakers that still use paper drivers? A significant proportion of people think that they sound the most natural. I am not bashing Magico -- I am sure that the S3 is a wonderful speaker; but to trash an entire well respected brand like Dynaudio is ridiculous.

Anshul

LVB said:
Super strange comparison. Feeling and “taste” aside, the S3 is WAY better than anything DA ever did, at any cost (I think that it is still the only so called "high-end" company I know of that uses drivers with polypropylene cones, yikes…).
BTW, the S3 also goes lower. There is a good write up in the German “Stereo” magazine on the DA and the S3 Mk1 (The Mk2 is substantially better). They even make it easy for you to tell, they rate the products they review, 92 for the DA and 98 for the S3 (the S3 has the lowest distortion of any loudspeaker they ever measured).

https://stereo-magazine.com/flipview/epaper/stereo-magazine-2017-8/
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https://stereo-magazine.com/flipview/epaper/stereo-magazine-2016-5/
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AJR said:
I don't hear worlds between these speakers. Yes the S3 mk2s are better overall. They are flawless. Appreciably better, but IMHO it is not apples and oranges. I keep banging on about it but the bass isn't as big - you can't feel it. It is more precise however. Maybe it is the music I listen to that leads me to like a bigger bass sound. Maybe it is not possible to get that big bass sound and have it nicely integrated into the overall soundscape.

Will wait until the dealer gets the S-sub hooked up and will let everyone know how it sounds, including in comparison to the a S7s (deal doesn't have the 5s).

This is all a hell of a lot of fun!
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Hi AJR,

Are the S3 Mk2 fully broken in? Apparently it takes hundreds of hours before you get the full impact of the bass. I've auditioned the S7 and they deliver very robust bass that you feel to your core. If the S7's bass is insufficient, there is a pill you can take for that. :D

Best,
Ken
 
I also found the sub for your visceral bass (a bit tongue in cheek, I hope you don't mind), it was introduced at the Munich High End show this year...

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...the Ascendo 50" sub [emoji3].


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Another sweeping statement. There are plenty of very well designed superb sounding speakers that have ported bass -- I own 2 of them -- Vienna Acoustics The Music and Sonus Faber Stradivari. In my system, there is no smearing or loss of resolution.

LVB said:
Unfortunately not really. There is a big price to pay for the extra oomph you get form a port, smearing, resolution and extension, it gets old really fast. You need to readjust your propriety a bit , it will be worth it. Once you get accustom to the Magico bass, you would not be able to go back, nor would you remember what you were hearing before that you liked on these ported design.
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Alpinist said:
Hi AJR,

Are the S3 Mk2 fully broken in? Apparently it takes hundreds of hours before you get the full impact of the bass. I've auditioned the S7 and they deliver very robust bass that you feel to your core. If the S7's bass is insufficient, there is a pill you can take for that. ;)

Best,
Ken
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haha! I live in Singapore so can't even joke about that! The S3 mk2s I tested only had 100 hours on the clock.

The S7s are beyond my price point unfortunately. But am going to give them a whirl just to see. If they give me what I want then will try to get hold of some S5s to test (dealer doesn't have them).
 
AJR said:
The S3 mk2s I tested only had 100 hours on the clock.
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Based on what I have heard from other mk2 owners who have more hours on their speakers they need 400-500 to be fully broken in.

I for my part turned my REL sub off until they are broken in.


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Kuoppis said:
I also found the sub for your visceral bass (a bit tongue in cheek, I hope you don't mind), it was introduced at the Munich High End show this year...

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...the Ascendo 50" sub [emoji3].


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Are you comparing the speakers at normal listening volumes or are you turning them up a little more for your auditions?
 
If you have the same cone area and the same number of drivers , the vented cabinet will have more dynamic impact in the bass, typically 6 db more output at tuned frequency. A sealed enclosure will have to have 4 times the woofers to have the same gain.

This dynamic Impact is what is felt as well as heard, there is no way for a sealed enclosure to have the same output power all things else remaining equal . The OP preference is heavy bass electronic music , this is a no brainier , but I'm sure the Sealed "it's not limp but clean Bass advocates" defying science will set this straight ....



Regards ..
 
AJR said:
I read that review. I agree that technically the S3 mk2 wins, and that its bass goes deeper than the Dynaudios. But what it does not give is a visceral bass feeling. Its bass sound is no doubt technically better, but I quite like to physically feel the bass. What I am trying to work out is if it is possible to get the best of both worlds. Can I get the taut, articulated and deep S3 mk2 bass sound but so that I feel it (as opposed to just hearing it).
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This is the typical strawman argument when discussing low end response, technically speaking only the -3db down point in relation to 1K is of importance, Why..? for the low end response to be sensed and heard it will have to be flat, rising or have a -3db point at 20Hz for you to sense and feel this difference, falling less than the other guy into subsonic territory is a Meh at best ..

doubt it ... !

Listen for yourself , level match and see. I'm with Jim, most bass reflex or bass issues on a whole from speakers that are well designed, is usually from a poor setup and room localization ..


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AJR, if you want more visceral (as opposed to accurate) bass without a sub, you really should hear Wilson Yvettes and Sasha 2s. Although at 100 hours (?), not sure you've heard what the S3 Mk IIs can really do.
 
I've heard a lot of Dyn's and owned a set of older Contour. Trust me when 50 hours isn't even beginning to break them in, unless they've done something different on the new series. All the Dyn's I've experienced have taken a very long time to break in, even some Audience series I've had. On mine the highs definitely smooth out but the bass actually became fuller, the woofers were very tight. The rear ports need to be a good way from a rear wall, this takes experimenting to get right. Dyn also provides port plugs with all their speakers for a closer placement situation. Dynaudio also has a Pro side that does well. They also build their own drivers and pretty much everything else in their speakers themselves. You might find I interesting to isten to the 60's down the road if the dealer has the same pair.

The lack of distortion in the Magico makes sense, accounting for the ease of listening I heard.

I only heard TAD speakers once, and, with TAD electronics, I remember thinking the sound was similar to Magico. I have no idea the price range but could be worth a listen.

Not that they sound similar to what you are listening to bt you might like the sound of ATC.
 
apdoc2004 said:
Another sweeping statement. There are plenty of very well designed superb sounding speakers that have ported bass -- I own 2 of them -- Vienna Acoustics The Music and Sonus Faber Stradivari. In my system, there is no smearing or loss of resolution.
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I'd add the Marten Coltrane series to that list. Kudos to Leif Oloffson for producing such well sorted ported speakers. Even the Mingus Quintet sounds tight and dynamic, though not quite to the level of the Coltrane series.
 
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