Magico S3 mk2 vs Dynaudio Contour 60

GSOphile said:
Poor choice of words. "Less emphasized" probably would have been better.
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Don’t let Wayne intimidate you, you picked the perfect words. How exactly a ported design can be “accurate” if it has a “6 db more output at (a) tuned frequency” (on that we agree, btw)? When Wayne solves this conundrum, and build such a speaker, one that is both accurate, but also is boosted at some frqs, he should let us know :rolleyes:
 
Dr Tone said:
Are you comparing the speakers at normal listening volumes or are you turning them up a little more for your auditions?
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A bit of both. I do tend to listen to my music at fairly loud volumes and it was at the louder volumes where the Dyaudio bass feel that I liked kicked in. My Magico dealer unfortunately does not have any S5 mk2s to test but does have some S7s. So my plan is to listen to the S7s and draw some conclusions about how the S5s are likely to sound based on that.

Thanks everyone for your suggested alternatives. Re: the Wilsons, I do struggle with the aesthetic (I much prefer the look of the Magicos) but will try the Sasha 2s, the Yvettes and also the Sabrinas. YG Acoustics and Genesis also look interesting.

AJR
 
LVB said:
Don’t let Wayne intimidate you, you picked the perfect words. How exactly a ported design can be “accurate” if it has a “6 db more output at (a) tuned frequency” (on that we agree, btw)? When Wayne solves this conundrum, and build such a speaker, one that is both accurate, but also is boosted at some frqs, he should let us know
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Maybe he choose to be respectful and BTW been there done that and sold that hog ........

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You can have your own opinion , not your own science, dont confuse the two, what you prefer is not science and the 6 db gain is not a negative, in order to have the same output sealed will require multiple woofers to match , sealed will also have more distortion and if the vented cabinet is done correctly with a similar woofer array , there is no comparison, it's a win, win, over sealed , regardless of how you roll the science.

Designers will choose either or based on their design requirements and goals..

The real issues with vented vs Sealed is the difficulty , sealed is a no brain operation, vented requires the ability to apply the science, for size, efficiency , sensitivity and room application/interference, the easy way out is usually sealed, but what you end up with is a speaker with less jump and life , you say smooth , to others it lacks the jump and punch of live music .

Now we are here , with another queasy about the sealed Magico bass, so what , it's his ears and choice , no different than one preferring Magico bass ..

Why deride the choice .... ?
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Magico's are well built and designed loudspeakers , I'm respectful of Alon's work and after hearing the S3 Mk2 i told Mike at that price point it's a winner , it's a good ( cant say the same for the MK1, it was lame to me ) speaker , good company , the work to make those cabinets is unimaginable, not to mention the effort.

Is anything Magico SOTA , not even close IMO, very difficult to get a single point source single pr of direct radiating box speaker to do SOTA level Audio, well none I have heard, so please get off this high horse , its a bit tiring hearing this constant doo doo about distortion less bass and one not use to clean Magico bass , yaddy , yada ...


There are others doing good work ...

Regards ....
 
AJR said:
A bit of both. I do tend to listen to my music at fairly loud volumes and it was at the louder volumes where the Dyaudio bass feel that I liked kicked in. My Magico dealer unfortunately does not have any S5 mk2s to test but does have some S7s. So my plan is to listen to the S7s and draw some conclusions about how the S5s are likely to sound based on that.

Thanks everyone for your suggested alternatives. Re: the Wilsons, I do struggle with the aesthetic (I much prefer the look of the Magicos) but will try the Sasha 2s, the Yvettes and also the Sabrinas. YG Acoustics and Genesis also look interesting.

AJR
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Heard good things about YG, never heard them thou .....


Regards
 
a.wayne said:
Is anything Magico SOTA , not even close IMO
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Says who? Some fancy pants no-one has ever heard of and who is right now just a bit full of himself?

With all due respect, you do not operate even close to a level to be capable of assessing that.


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Kuoppis said:
Says who? Some fancy pants no-one has ever heard of and who is right now just a bit full of himself?

With all due respect, you do not operate even close to a level to be capable of assessing that.


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Captn Irony,

you know this how? ..

Care to enlighten me ! Which direct radiating Magico model is at SOTA level and in case you missed it , Alon's super bigfoot ( SOTA attempt) have Horns.

Coincidence ...?


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PS: IMO, i know , i know , hard for you to get that .......
 
Keep the words coming dear friend. If you would be anything than just a self-declared Master of the Universe you would have enough self-respect not to be bitching about colleagues in open fora - and you would have something else to show for than arrogance and big words.


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Kuoppis said:
Keep the words coming dear friend. If you would be anything than just a self-declared Master of the Universe you would have enough self-respect not to be bitching about colleagues in open fora - and you would have something else to show for than arrogance and big words.


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Who and which colleague did i bitch at ,

I gave my Opinion and stand by it , i dont consider any single pr point source direct radiating loudspeaker a SOTA attempt , none i have heard in 40 yrs of hi-fi has convinced me otherwise.


You can verify this by looking at what each and every "hi-end" designer produces as their SOTA attempt....
 
a.wayne said:
Who and which colleague did i bitch at ,

I gave my Opinion and stand by it , i dont consider any single pr point source direct radiating loudspeaker a SOTA attempt , none i have heard in 40 yrs of hi-fi has convinced me otherwise.


You can verify this by looking at what each and every "hi-end" designer produces as their SOTA attempt....
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Alon Wolf and Yair Tammam, stating their work is not SOTA. Even though I somehow suspect you cannot rise up to the claim to call yourself a colleague to real hi-end professionals.

Care to enlighten me how you think you would be able to judge? What are your references, what have you achieved in high end audio, what makes you think you would be able to judge?


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Kuoppis said:
Alon Wolf and Yair Tammam, stating their work is not SOTA.
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you dont say ......:lol:

Kuoppis said:
Even though I somehow suspect you cannot rise up to the claim to call yourself a colleague to real hi-end professionals.
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Never said i was a colleague

Kuoppis said:
Care to enlighten me how you think you would be able to judge?
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Two Ears, both in perfect working condition .....


Kuoppis said:
1. What are your references ........
2. what have you achieved in high end audio,
3. what makes you think you would be able to judge?

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1. Live music
2. The pleasure of experiencing your Irony..
3. I have the best wife in the world and she is currently watching so good judgement



Did i get in ..?

Regards ...
 
a.wayne said:
you dont say ......:lol:



Never said i was a colleague



Two Ears, both in perfect working condition .....





1. Live music
2. The pleasure of experiencing your Irony..
3. I have the best wife in the world and she is currently watching so good judgement





Regards ...
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Evading answers when haven't got any good ones? Now you totally convinced me.

So you indeed appear just to be a big mouth pretending to know and with very little to show.

?? LOL ??


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Personal attacks must be your forte, try discussing the topic, have anything to add to the discussion or more attacks and Irony ...?



Regards ...
 
a.wayne said:
Personal attacks must be your forte, try discussing the topic, have anything to add to the discussion or more attacks and Irony ...?

Regards ...
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I am happy to reiterate: why do you think Magico products are not SOTA and why do you think you would be able to judge while not having any experience in the industry?

Asking for clarification about your statements is typically not considered a personal attack, unless of course the person making claims is not able to substantiate them.

I am actually not too particular about what you respond, you have already proven the point: you appear are not to be able to really argument your case.
 
Perhaps you two would prefer to take your disagreements to a more appropriate (i.e.private) forum? [emoji848]

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Nothing against Jessica Alba...[emoji3].


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a.wayne said:
..so please get off this high horse , its a bit tiring hearing this constant doo doo about distortion less bass and one not use to clean Magico bass , yaddy , yada ...
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a.wayne, whilst I respect your technical understanding, no one is forcing you to post in the Magico forum. Have you considered participants in this forum might be tired of reading your meh comments?
 
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