If you really want to rock out, I would recommend the S7. The bass response is amazing, totally visceral in its impact.
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If you really want to rock out, I would recommend the S7. The bass response is amazing, totally visceral in its impact.
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I’d love myself a pair of M2 or S3 mk3. Maybe a few years down the road. Currently I’m still enjoying my S3 mk1, which BTW became “obsolete” a few months after I bought them due to the release of S3 mk2.
But, I wouldn’t quit Magico. I just need to quit a generation. S3 mk1 —> S3 mk3. By the time I sell my S3 mk1, I’d have used them up or enjoyed them enough that I probably wouldn’t care the resale value. Haha
^ see, there’s a third position in all this.
But, I wouldn’t quit Magico. I just need to quit a generation. S3 mk1 —> S3 mk3. By the time I sell my S3 mk1, I’d have used them up or enjoyed them enough that I probably wouldn’t care the resale value. Haha
^ see, there’s a third position in all this.
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If you want to ROCK out. And you just robbed a big bank. Get a pair of Q15s!!!!!!!
If you want to ROCK out. And you just robbed a big bank. Get a pair of Q15s!!!!!!!
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This is a very interesting statement from someone who obviously knows as a former and current owner.
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Interesting comment, Ian. I wonder how the measurements differ between these two speakers. I can't really remember the bass sound of your S5s, but the M Pros on solo cello and acoustic bass are amazing. Those three bass drivers hardly move.
I think you bring up an important point, not often discussed with speakers: how they perform with different types of music. I also wonder if the amplification you used/use with these two different speakers is a factor with the bass quality and quantity in your challenging room.
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To be honest, I’ m more than happy with the S3/2s.. Interesting to hear these new babies in May, tho. I’d love to hear the M3s in my system, but that’ s not going to happen anytime soon.
My S5 mk 2 pressurized the room like no other speaker that graced it before (or after). They have the authority and ease in the lowest octaves that few speakers can match. Add to that an impressive speed and articulation, and we are talking about reference calibre LF reproduction.
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I think we all have different views of what bass should be. To my ears, there is just no contest when comparing bass quality of M series vs S series and S series is superb. Probably second best on the market (with respect to cone and domes) IMO. The M series bass quality is as good as I’ve heard. I spent nearly 2 years comparing M3 bass to S5 mk2 Bass in the same room. You can follow along the bass notes on the M3 with much better definition than the S5 mk2 - and like I said, S5 mk2 is superb.
But if you’re someone who likes what I call “woofy woofy” bass - lots of air moving around without much bass definition, then you would probably think Wilson has better bass than Magico. For me, a speaker with articulate bass and bass definition is far harder to achieve especially in a “box”.
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But if you’re someone who likes what I call “woofy woofy” bass - lots of air moving around without much bass definition, then you would probably think Wilson has better bass than Magico. For me, a speaker with articulate bass and bass definition is far harder to achieve especially in a “box”.
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'Smooth' can have both positive and negative connotations. What exactly do you mean by this adjective, applied to the M3?
So Mike, if S5 mk2 is second best cone/dome in the bass region, the best is? M6? 
Since you compared the S5 and M3 in your room, which is not small, do you think M3 is absolutely adequate without subs? Most of the people owning M3 are using them with subs i believe. And if not, do you think Magico will produce a model between the M3 and M6 anytime soon?
Since you compared the S5 and M3 in your room, which is not small, do you think M3 is absolutely adequate without subs? Most of the people owning M3 are using them with subs i believe. And if not, do you think Magico will produce a model between the M3 and M6 anytime soon?
I think what we’re discussing is really a question of quality vs. quantity or gourmet vs. gourmand. I personally would always prefer quality or gourmet but I know some rock and roll enthusiasts who would take quantity or gourmand.
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No. With rock I want both slam and punch on one hand, and precision and articulation on the other. There's no gourmand without gourmet.
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Important point you’re making, Peter.
In my system the rock’n roll test is absolutely essential for any kind of equipment. If I am happy with the “audiophile” qualities of a component, the next level additional test is to put on some rock. But of course, if the audiophile test is failed, the component is out.
But the rock test is simple: in the lows damped distorted guitar must make a deep and solid “thump” when strummed (test it e.g. on “Lola Montez” from Volbeat) and the distorted highs must sound a bit dirty (test e.g. with Eddie stuff, “Runaround” works ok). Only a few things are worse for me, than polite sounding distorted guitar.
This is also the reason, I am so happy with the S3 mk2. It just does it all.
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Yes, polite sound is horrible. Unfortunately, many high end systems mistake polite sound for clean sound.
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So Mike, if S5 mk2 is second best cone/dome in the bass region, the best is? M6?
Since you compared the S5 and M3 in your room, which is not small, do you think M3 is absolutely adequate without subs? Most of the people owning M3 are using them with subs i believe. And if not, do you think Magico will produce a model between the M3 and M6 anytime soon?
For me, I absolutely don't feel the M3's need subs. If you recall, I had them paired with some REL's and Jim and I both felt they were adding nothing and in fact taking away. Would M3's with Q-Sub's change that equation, oh yeah, I would imagine so. But for me, I really enjoy the M3's the way they are and after two years have never felt the need to add subs, although as a dealer, I probably should get some Q-Sub 15's in here one day. :audiophile:
No clue on Magico's product plans.
In a perfect world, who wouldn’t? But in reality, you have speaker like the S7 that can deliver tremendous bass slam and a speaker like the M3 that delivers more articulate bass but with less slam. Both are terrific speakers.
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Yes, of course, both would be great. But we are now discussing the differences between two distinct lines of speakers and those who have compared them directly do point out differences between the two. I think your comment about quality vs quantity is a good one. I went back and forth when I added two JL Audio subs to my Magico Mini 2s. In the end, I slightly preferred quality bass without the subs over quantity with the subs for the type of music I mostly listen to.
For now, it seems to be a choice. Perhaps one day a company will develop the perfect speaker that does it all in the mid size category.
Yes, but your particular room, which otherwise has great acoustics, poses unusual problems when it comes to integrating subwoofers with monitors. Perhaps they would integrate better with your Q3s.
While I don't doubt that quality of bass slam and of bass articulation can be separate, I wonder if sometimes allegedly better 'articulation' can be the result of the ear being guided towards articulation in the absence of slam and punch.