M3's arrival

Here are the differences that I have observed between the M3 and MProject

Tweeters -the same (not really:)....pm me if you would like to discuss. The Magico site currently states the same Tweeter in each the MPro and M3, but the M3 version is a "downstream" version. Magico will clarify this in the near future. Both the Mpro and the M3s tweeter's are SOTA. Understood that there are a lot of other great tweeters out there in a lot of great speakers but these "M" model tweeters are the "cat's meow".

Alon has done a heck of a lot of development over the last decade+ with tweeter (and 20 other things) and these tweeters are the latest incarnation at this point in time.

Mid range and woofer material is different on the M3 and MP - similar material (nanographene/carbon) read about it here http://magico.net/Marketing/Press_Releases/M3_PR_2016.pdf (Mike, find out more about this on your trip to be certain please) I was told that the materials for the drivers of the M3 are slightly newer in material technology vs. the already SOTA MProject drivers.

Introduction of the Mpods and triangle platorm for M3.

Regarding the tension rods- Yes the M-Project loudspeaker has the same tension rods and will benefit from re-calibration using a proper torque tool at the correct foot-pound setting. All Q-Series loudspeakers have tension rods. See update in update post a few posts below.

It is critical to not overtighten the tension rods as the threaded hex bolt may break inside the tension rod and require factory repair.

If you own the MProjects or any Q series that have adjustable tension rods, I would consult your local Magico dealer regarding adjustment and the torque values that should be applied when tightening the rods.

All of this is new and will be clarified in more detail shortly. I know for certain that everyone on the "Magico visit" will become ultra informed and will be able to update us all next week. Have fun guys!!!

Btw, after hearing and working with the M3s for a brief 48 hours I already placed an order with Peter at Magico for whatever the next larger model is that will eventually be announced in the future....M5, M6 Or whatever it will be called.....just so it's "more M".
 
Alpinist said:
Time and technology march on. It won't be long before the M5 gets introduced.
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It's not just technology that changes with time - marketing too evolves. Unfortunately, there's no way to say that the new version of whatever is head and shoulders above the old version (whether it is or not) without implying that the old version is inferior and obsolete (whether it is or not). So they usually fall back on the "rule of 90" when describing the older/lesser model - 90% of the performance for half the price or whatever. But when they describe the newer/better model they don't say it's 10% better than the older/lesser one - they say the newer/better one is in a class by itself, revolutionary, a game-changer, jaw-dropper, quantum shift... I don't mean that for Magico specifically - just in general.
 
It is interesting what you have said about the Q-series requiring periodic rod tensioning. I was under the impression, that they use Loctite Blue threadlocking adhesive to prevent the bolts from getting loose.
 
All I was going by was that the Q Series do have tension rods. I do not know if they are adjustable or not that's why I said to ask your dealer..

I have already send a request for information about the Q Series and if they are just a boy I have not heard back yet that's all.
 
Adam,

I just copied what I was told by magico regarding the Q Series haven't tensioners but they did not say where they were adjustable or not I have asked for clarification
 
Okay here is the clarification the Q Series do have tensioners and they are adjustable and they do not use Loctite
 
Rhapsody said:
Okay here is the clarification the Q Series do have tensioners and they are adjustable and they do not use Loctite
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Thanks !

But then again ... one may wonder WHY they don't use Loctite. That would solve the problem once and for all.
 
Elberoth said:
Thanks !

But then again ... one may wonder WHY they don't use Loctite. That would solve the problem once and for all.
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Hi Adam, I just had a very interesting and enlightening conversation with Alon regarding "why" Loctite is not used with the tension rods. Btw, Loctite is used with all of the other connecting bolts in the speakers, just not the tension rods.

I will not be able to explain it as eloquently as Alon explained it to me, but basically the overall design of the cabinet and internal structure, which are an engineering marvel in their own right, have to work synergistically with holding the drivers in place. To be able to apply the proper amount of desired pressure to hold the drivers in place the tension rods were created.

If you would permanently "lock in" the tension rods then you would have no way to adjust for "micro movements" of the materials/metals from the cabinet and the internal structure. In transporting around the globe into different environments (temp/humidity etc) it is possible for even the strongest structures to have "micro movement".

With the use of the tension rods regardless of any micro movements the structure which supports the drivers can always be tightened to the exact right pressure regardless of what has gone on ie, travel, temp changes etc. via a torque wrench.

Btw, regarding the S7s or any of the Magico S models that do not have adjustable tension rods - you might not have to adjust the tension rods BUT periodically you should check the mounting screws that hold the drivers into place. Over time with shipping temperature changes and overall environment changes it is possible for the driver mounting screws to become less than tight. If you check the tightness of your driver screws BE CAREFUL as to not punch a whole in your driver during your inspection and calibration.

Note: I realized after several posts that I made today in this thread that I was not quite sure of the correct answers to certain questions. I had some conflicting information, but after a conversation with Alon, everything became very clear. I went back and edited my posts in this thread to make sure that there was no erroneous information floating around. All of my posts from today on this thread are now accurate. Feel free to ask any questions and I will gladly either give or get you an accurate answer to your question.
 
have you fired up the M3 with the Absolare integrated yet? That would be one smart looking combo sitting in the loungeroom :D
 
bobwah said:
have you fired up the M3 with the Absolare integrated yet? That would be one smart looking combo sitting in the loungeroom :D
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Hey bobwah- great idea and I will, but not until I have about 300 hours on the M3's. I run the M3's 24/7 with my "ocean waves" tracks and use all SS to do that. Will connect the Absolare (hybrid) integrated as soon as the initial break in is complete.

The Absolare integrated is a stellar combination with ALL of the S's, so it should be great with the M3's.
 
The Absolare's were really liquid sounding from my recollection. Really fine amplifiers. With the improved sensitivity and impedance curve of the M3, they should sound even better. I suspect quite a few individuals will be driving the M3 with tube amplification considering these developments.

Ken
 
Alpinist said:
The Absolare's were really liquid sounding from recollection. Really fine amplifiers. With the improved sensitivity and impedance curve of the M3, they should sound even better. I suspect quite a few individuals will be driving the M3 with tube amplification considering these developments.

Ken
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Ken - I know the VAC Signature 200iq monos with KT150's driving my S1 mk2 and S5 mk2 are absolutely fantastic. I know my M3's will be great as well.
 
Mike said:
Ken - I know the VAC Signature 200iq monos with KT150's driving my S1 mk2 and S5 mk2 are absolutely fantastic. I know my M3's will be great as well.
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Mike,

I'm sure VAC also sounds wonderful with Magico. It is nice to now have the option of going tubes with Magico as their newer models have become much easier to drive. You have to hand it to them, they never rest on their laurels.

Best,
Ken
 
Alpinist said:
Mike,

I'm sure VAC also sounds wonderful with Magico. It is nice to now have the option of going tubes with Magico as their newer models have become much easier to drive. You have to hand it to them, they never rest on their laurels.

Best,
Ken
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I am very excited to hear the M3's this weekend. If they sound close to the M Projects, I'm going to be very happy.
 
Mike said:
I am very excited to hear the M3's this weekend. If they sound close to the M Projects, I'm going to be very happy.
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It should be a very fun weekend for you guys! I hope you have a wonderful trip and visit.

Ken
 
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