Devialet 200...my impressions.

My friend has the full Krell system inhouse, but a hifi buddy of our bought his own Devialet along just to se how it performed. SAM was not available, but he is interested to do another "test" when he has downloaded it. And I am very much looking forward hearing the difference with SAM on/off. And also a shootout with my Jeff Rowland - if I dare :baby:.
 
Although I have been unable to garner enough votes to request Devialet to make a SAM profile, I was able to jump on the C1.1 bandwagon and hey presto ... Devialet obliged. I figured that the D-1 and the C1.1 were close enough that I would at least be able to assess what the benefits to SAM & the Devialet were. At the same time , I wanted to be able to figure out whether SAM did anything to tame the Raidho's notorious bass response. The results have been very interesting.

I set the D200's SAM profile to the C1.1. Then, I deliberately put the Raidho's through a TTT (Torture Track Test) , playing a series of bass-heavy tracks that in the past , have caused either excessive woofer popping & violent excursions to a kind of "defibrillation" - a high speed and sonically intrusive vibration of the woofer cones. The Devialet & Raidhos sailed through the test at loud SPL's without any issues whatsoever . So far I have been streaming wirelessly to the Devialet which is connected by Ethernet to my Airport WiFi router. I am completely thrilled by the bass control, the clear sonic presentation and the extent to which the Devialet appears to dig into the deepest recesses of the recordings so that I'm hearing never-heard-before characteristics and aspects of the music.

On a larger note , could in fact , the Devialet running dedicated SAM profiles be the answer to taming some of the wilder aspects of what are in reality , phenomenal speakers ?

I fancy of you are able and willing , I would really appreciate votes for a SAM profile for the D-1's . Many thanks in advance . The link is below:

Raidho

Thanks

Shodhan
 
Shodhan - this is very encouraging news. SAM technology is very exciting.

I do wonder what Raidho thinks of this.

Very promising indeed.

Did you notice any sonic degradation at all? The reason I ask is that I did try a number of DSP products (MEN220, DSPeaker, etc.) on my original D3's (version 1's) and they sounded awful - flat was not to the Raidho's liking - or mine!

It sounds like a Devialet 200 with a pair of C1.1's could be a terrific system.


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Mike said:
Shodhan - this is very encouraging news. SAM technology is very exciting.

I do wonder what Raidho thinks of this.

Very promising indeed.

Did you notice any sonic degradation at all? The reason I ask is that I did try a number of DSP products (MEN220, DSPeaker, etc.) on my original D3's (version 1's) and they sounded awful - flat was not to the Raidho's liking - or mine!

It sounds like a Devialet 200 with a pair of C1.1's could be a terrific system.


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Mike - it's early days but this might be the magic bullet that Raidho owners have been looking for. To my ears , it sounded tighter, more focussed and less flabby without losing the wraparound soundstage. I think the technology & software is completely different from DSP as practiced by Lyngdorf & DSPeaker . Suppression of cone excursion seems to be an important part of the SAM profile & certainly, those violent woofer movements that Raidho is famous for , also in my experience have a lot to do with their inability to play at loud SPL's , the exaggerated bass response and the drivers hitting their physical limits on bass-heavy & high SPL sections , causing that uncomfortable popping sound.

I am going to upgrade to the slave 200 so that I can get the 400's and the extra headroom. Jeff Fritz seems smitten. One of the few honest reviewers out there

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Seems to be something going on with SAM....





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Bobolaclune said:
Although I have been unable to garner enough votes to request Devialet to make a SAM profile, I was able to jump on the C1.1 bandwagon and hey presto ... Devialet obliged. I figured that the D-1 and the C1.1 were close enough that I would at least be able to assess what the benefits to SAM & the Devialet were. At the same time , I wanted to be able to figure out whether SAM did anything to tame the Raidho's notorious bass response. The results have been very interesting.

I set the D200's SAM profile to the C1.1. Then, I deliberately put the Raidho's through a TTT (Torture Track Test) , playing a series of bass-heavy tracks that in the past , have caused either excessive woofer popping & violent excursions to a kind of "defibrillation" - a high speed and sonically intrusive vibration of the woofer cones. The Devialet & Raidhos sailed through the test at loud SPL's without any issues whatsoever . So far I have been streaming wirelessly to the Devialet which is connected by Ethernet to my Airport WiFi router. I am completely thrilled by the bass control, the clear sonic presentation and the extent to which the Devialet appears to dig into the deepest recesses of the recordings so that I'm hearing never-heard-before characteristics and aspects of the music.

On a larger note , could in fact , the Devialet running dedicated SAM profiles be the answer to taming some of the wilder aspects of what are in reality , phenomenal speakers ?

I fancy of you are able and willing , I would really appreciate votes for a SAM profile for the D-1's . Many thanks in advance . The link is below:

Raidho

Thanks

Shodhan
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Hi Shodhan,
That is indeed a ground breaking development when it comes to taming the major issue with the otherwise wonderful Raidho speakers. I used to own Raidho C1.1 speakers. On some tracks (especially with double bass), there was distinct port noise/chuffing which detracted from the enjoyment of music. I wonder if have experienced the same issue with your Raidho C1.1s. If yes, was SAM able to eliminate that in any way?
Thanks,
Anshul
 
Anshul,

The only thing I suggest is that if someone has a nervous disposition ....they shouldn't buy Raidhos. I experienced everything on my D-1's , from massive woofer excursions , to popping sounds when the drivers hit their limits and literally banged against their diaphragms & the most alarming thing of all - a high speed fluttering-vibration of the entire driver . There is definitely an issue of component matching with Raidho since the speakers interpret many highly modulated tracks to be akin to clipping and behave accordingly . This is one brand of speakers it does not pay to experiment with mixing-and-matching . There's a reason why they show so frequently with Rowland for example.

When I reported all this to Lars at Raidho - he just laughed and said the speakers were built tough and could handle anything....must be made of sterner stuff than I am!

My current #1 for Raidho-torture-track ? "Hey You" by London Grammar - take a look on youtube - highly modulated with a powerful bass tone that drives the D-1's crazy at high-ish SPL's

Shodhan
 
apdoc2004 said:
Hi Shodhan,
That is indeed a ground breaking development when it comes to taming the major issue with the otherwise wonderful Raidho speakers. I used to own Raidho C1.1 speakers. On some tracks (especially with double bass), there was distinct port noise/chuffing which detracted from the enjoyment of music. I wonder if have experienced the same issue with your Raidho C1.1s. If yes, was SAM able to eliminate that in any way?
Thanks,
Anshul
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And yes - all of these issues disappeared with the Devialet, even at fairly high listening levels . Now it's early days , there is a possibility that the SAM profile attenuates bass response and the "fill" that can provide. According to Devialet, the SAM profile actually lowers the bass extension from 44Hz to 23Hz on their measurements so all may be fine with the world. We'll see - I would again - appreciate it if anyone on AS could vote for the D-1's on the Devialet SAM link sent earlier.

Thanks

Shodhan
 
And just to say - something's going on at Devialet . Their Facebook page is full of references to an "Upcoming Revolution" and this image ....any guesses?
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Bobolaclune said:
My current #1 for Raidho-torture-track ? "Hey You" by London Grammar - take a look on youtube - highly modulated with a powerful bass tone that drives the D-1's crazy at high-ish SPL's

Shodhan
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Rather disappointingly I'm getting some severe cone breakup with that track and my C-1.1s with a Devialet 200. Strangely it's actually worse with SAM enabled than disabled (at the same volume).
 
I wouldn't read too much into that . The track is an absolute torture test and the "defibrillation" on the cones is something I haven't experienced with my D1's on any other piece of music. Worse on the digital than the vinyl.

What I will say is that the Raidho's are real power hogs and even with the D400 , I'm driving them up to 3 or 4 o'clock on the dial, so this might be part of your issue with the D200's.

Shodhan
 
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