Devialet 200...my impressions.

It's just you Steve......LOL

What speakers are you using & is there a SAM profile for it ? I have a D200 and to be honest , I haven't had any such issues . Are you utilizing the analog inputs ? Many on AS feel they are inferior to the digital inputs or using the Air streamer.

Shodhan
 
Bobolaclune said:
It's just you Steve......LOL

What speakers are you using & is there a SAM profile for it ? I have a D200 and to be honest , I haven't had any such issues . Are you utilizing the analog inputs ? Many on AS feel they are inferior to the digital inputs or using the Air streamer.

Shodhan
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Wow, thanks for the responses - running USER CP-8571 and as I understand it no SAM file available at present.

Re inputs using USB from a MacBook Pro running Amarra player (latest version 3.0.1?).

Thanks, Steve.
 
Mike said:
For the same money as the Devialet, I can build a system that will leave it in the dust.
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Maybe YOU could, Mike, but perhaps to do it you might need to omit some of the functionality of the D200 and incorporate some secondhand or DIY components. If you were thinking of secondhand prices of components, then to be fair your budget should be based on the secondhand price of a D200.
For most of us, myself included, any such attempt would leave the dust magnet exterior of the D200 fairly dust free.




 
As I've said before, its a great piece IF you agree to live within the Devialet ecosystem and IF your speakers are not terribly demanding and IF you don't worry about obsolesces in the DAC and IF your cables will plug into the back!

It a revolutionary piece and the SAM technology is brilliant...perhaps even game changing.

My biggest beef with ALL the Devialet units I had was that they all sputtered and hissed and cut out at 93db+ levels on various speakers.

Unlike some reviewers, rather than say every speaker is the greatest on the planet and every piece of gear is my next reference piece, I prefer to point out the good and the bad - even with my own personal gear. The Devialet is not perfect, but it is damn good if you're willing to accept its shortcomings mentioned above. I was not.






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Mike said:
As I've said before, its a great piece IF you agree to live within the Devialet ecosystem and IF your speakers are not terribly demanding and IF you don't worry about obsolesces in the DAC and IF your cables will plug into the back!

It a revolutionary piece and the SAM technology is brilliant...perhaps even game changing.

My biggest beef with ALL the Devialet units I had was that they all sputtered and hissed and cut out at 93db+ levels on various speakers.

Unlike some reviewers, rather than say every speaker is the greatest on the planet and every piece of gear is my next reference piece, I prefer to point out the good and the bad - even with my own personal gear. The Devialet is not perfect, but it is damn good if you're willing to accept its shortcomings mentioned above. I was not.






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Largely agree with you, Mike. Love to hear good balanced critical appraisals of audio gear. Nothing is perfect.
Compromises have to be made. I have to run D200 without the back cover to fit my power cable. Yet to find an audiophile IEC plug that will fit under the cover. Bananas rather than spades suit the cramped quarters. Happy to compromise here as I love the slim profile and exquisite form factor.

BUT, those terribly demanding speakers that you refer to would surely challenge most amps out there. The D's have a reputation of being fairly load tolerant and able to drive most speakers. Of course, amps must be matched with suitable speakers.

The Devialet ecosystem is not such a bad place to live in.... UNLESS you want to incorporate something like a Lumin that already has it's own DAC. Maybe one day Lumin will introduce a DAC-less server, then Lumin owners wouldn't have to worry about obsolescences in the DAC ;)

I run D200 with Magico S1 speakers. Moderately demanding speakers - they present an under 4 ohm impedance from around 6.5 KHz upwards dipping down to 3 ohm from 11 kHz upwards. No hissing or spluttering yet encountered. However, if I wanted to drive speakers that were significantly more demanding than S1's, I think that I would be considering dual mono D400.
 
garata said:
Largely agree with you, Mike. Love to hear good balanced critical appraisals of audio gear. Nothing is perfect.
Compromises have to be made. I have to run D200 without the back cover to fit my power cable. Yet to find an audiophile IEC plug that will fit under the cover. Bananas rather than spades suit the cramped quarters. Happy to compromise here as I love the slim profile and exquisite form factor.

BUT, those terribly demanding speakers that you refer to would surely challenge most amps out there. The D's have a reputation of being fairly load tolerant and able to drive most speakers. Of course, amps must be matched with suitable speakers.

The Devialet ecosystem is not such a bad place to live in.... UNLESS you want to incorporate something like a Lumin that already has it's own DAC. Maybe one day Lumin will introduce a DAC-less server, then Lumin owners wouldn't have to worry about obsolescences in the DAC ;)

I run D200 with Magico S1 speakers. Moderately demanding speakers - they present an under 4 ohm impedance from around 6.5 KHz upwards dipping down to 3 ohm from 11 kHz upwards. No hissing or spluttering yet encountered. However, if I wanted to drive speakers that were significantly more demanding than S1's, I think that I would be considering dual mono D400.
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First, with no DSD, the Devialet DAC already has a strike against it in my books. DSD compared to master tape is close. PCM is not as close. Second, you STILL need a computer and software and storage and USB cable to use the Devialet's DAC. The Lumin S1 handles all formats, doesn't need a computer and has its own app - no requirement to purchase third party software.

Second, I had the Devialet 800 and it crapped out too. I thought at $30,000 it would be the ticket. It was barely better than the 200 in my tests.

Trust me, I wanted to love the Devialet - but I was repeatedly disappointed, not with its sonics - they were good, but with its poor A2D, inability to drive any of my speakers, lack of DSD, etc.

I do however predict the relatively new company Devialet will figure out most of these things and then we will really have a killer product.

I suspect their big announcement will be DoP.


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garata,

Cardas IECs fit under the rear cover.

Audience uses them on their power cords.
 
mauidan said:
garata,

Cardas IECs fit under the rear cover.

Audience uses them on their power cords.
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Thanks Dan,
I do already use a Cardas 3455R which I presume is the IEC plug that you are referring to.
And it is true that the back cover will fit back on using that plug.
But if you look closely you can see that the cover doesn't quite fit properly. It is slightly tilted, raised at the IEC end. At least it is in my installation.
Hence I use it but sans cover.
 
garata said:
Largely agree with you, Mike. Love to hear good balanced critical appraisals of audio gear. Nothing is perfect.
Compromises have to be made. I have to run D200 without the back cover to fit my power cable. Yet to find an audiophile IEC plug that will fit under the cover. Bananas rather than spades suit the cramped quarters. Happy to compromise here as I love the slim profile and exquisite form factor.

BUT, those terribly demanding speakers that you refer to would surely challenge most amps out there. The D's have a reputation of being fairly load tolerant and able to drive most speakers. Of course, amps must be matched with suitable speakers.

The Devialet ecosystem is not such a bad place to live in.... UNLESS you want to incorporate something like a Lumin that already has it's own DAC. Maybe one day Lumin will introduce a DAC-less server, then Lumin owners wouldn't have to worry about obsolescences in the DAC ;)

I run D200 with Magico S1 speakers. Moderately demanding speakers - they present an under 4 ohm impedance from around 6.5 KHz upwards dipping down to 3 ohm from 11 kHz upwards. No hissing or spluttering yet encountered. However, if I wanted to drive speakers that were significantly more demanding than S1's, I think that I would be considering dual mono D400.
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The Furutech FI-15 plus IEC fits under the cover of the Devialet - that's what I use with their FP-Alpha 3 power cable
 
Bobolaclune said:
The Furutech FI-15 plus IEC fits under the cover of the Devialet - that's what I use with their FP-Alpha 3 power cable
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Thanks, Bobolaclune. I see from their website that it is 35mm or 34mm tall. It looks so very similar to the Cardas 3455R. Unfortunately Cardas doesn't give the dimensions of the 3455R on it's website. But when I measure it (not very accurately), I get slightly less than that - maybe 33mm. Think I need to measure with some vernier calipers.
There doesn't seem to be any offset to account for why this plug fits when, if anything it is slightly taller. ????
Did you have to trim the plug slightly or (shudder) do a little judicious relief work to the cover?

I love the way the D200 looks with rear cover installed. So, for me, it is worth a little trouble and expense to try to achieve that.
 
Just noticed that Furutech make a slightly more compact IEC plug - the FI-15E for use with up to 12AWG.
 
I really want to get together with Devialet and get another unit in my system to try. I loved the sound (most important thing!), the remote, the footprint, the configurator tool and using the Devialet DAC and phonostage were all excellent.

The SAM technology and other future advances from Devialet certainly make this an exciting piece.

I'm happy all of you are enjoying it so much. It sounds wonderful, so holographic and pure.


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I think that one reason why some see the Devialet as a lifestyle component rather than a audiophile product is the one box concept it self. To many from the latter group, things being "reduced" to one box is not a goal in itself. I for one like to try out different equipment and cables to maximize the system. That is one part of the hobby I think. But with a Devialet I could not test a variety of dacs and I'd be restricted to what power cables to choose between. A more lifestyle oriented listener would on the other hand look for just this simplicity that Devialet offers. One box - no more fiddling with cables and tweeks. Done. I am not saying that path is better than the other. Just different. Hopefully they will the the respective hifi traveller to the same destination - a personal audio nirvana :).
I have heard the Devialet in numerous setups on different audio shows, mostly though with Magico speakers. They have not been to my liking. I find the combination to bee to detailed and analytic. A month ago I had the privilege to hear a 200 together with Sonus Faber Amati Futura in a home set up. The Devialet replaced a Krell Evolution 202 pre amp and a Krell 402 power amp up for demo purpose. And as I have Futura speakers my self I am very familiar with how they sound. This was however a combination I liked much more than with the Magico. Great presentation. Still a tad on the lean/bright side of the scale IMO especially compared to the Krell set up. But on the other hand they have a much bigger price tag.
At home I have the Jeff Rowland Continuum S2, a class D integrated amp that offers 2x800 W to my 4 Ohm speakers. To me the Jeff Rowland presents a more organic experience with more flesh on the voices. But it is all a matter of taste.
 
bigblue,

Sounds like your friend needs to get a Companion and move up to a Devialet 400.

BTW, if you don't use the rear cover, there are lots of power cords to choose from. Otherwise you just need to use right IEC for the rear cover to fit.

Did your friend have the SAM file engaged?
 
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