Why no turntable?

mep said:
I was referring to digital files being played over a server/DAC combo.
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That should be far more reliable than vinyl playback.
Of course, audio shows tend to be Murphy's Law scenarios, but that wouldn't be limited to "digital"
 
AJ Soundfield said:
That should be far more reliable than vinyl playback.
Of course, audio shows tend to be Murphy's Law scenarios, but that wouldn't be limited to "digital"
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So now we are down to defining what reliable means. When I cue up a record, unmute the phono preamp and line stage, I know I'm going to hear music. When you log into your iPad and bring up your streaming service, you don't know if you will have a connection or not back to the server so you can play files from your headless server. My server is hardwired to my audio network, but the iPad runs off of WiFi.
 
mep said:
When you log into your iPad and bring up your streaming service, you don't know if you will have a connection or not back to the server
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I don't do any such thing. It's possible to play files on the intranet or local drive(s) on laptop with high to very high (local drive) reliability, vs "stream" services like Tidal, Qobuz etc, which is internet.
Anyone relying on internet streaming services for an audio show needs a clue.
I've done more than a dozen shows with zero problems. To suggest zero moving parts is less reliable than archaic spinning motors dragging diamonds in plastic, is audiophile silly. Let's forget that angle for "why vinyl".
 
a.wayne said:
Agree , Had my TT hacked and lost the Diamond Tip ..
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Yep, same thing happened with a club member few months back, still not sure he's fixed it. Last I saw him, he was using his Lumin.;)
But he sure as heck isn't giving up his really fancy tables or vast vinyl collection. Not a thing wrong with that.
 
In reference to Mike’s OP ..

I do agree with Mike if the aim is to have the best sonic reproduction of your Favorite recordings , no one approach will get the job done ..

1.TT for the best analog LP music playback
2.CDP for the best reproduction of Redbook recordings
3.Top server and DAC for the best hi def PCM/DSD recordings .
4. R2R for the best original analog master copies playback ..



Regards
 
a.wayne said:
In reference to Mike’s OP ..

I do agree with Mike if the aim is to have the best sonic reproduction of your Favorite recordings , no one approach will get the job done ..

1.TT for the best analog LP music playback
2.CDP for the best reproduction of Redbook recordings
3.Top server and DAC for the best hi def PCM/DSD recordings .
4. R2R for the best original analog master copies playback ..



Regards
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Bingo. Since #2 will often have #3 built in, 1, 2/3 is really getting you 99% of the way there.
 
I really do not believe it has become as bitch fest in any way shape or form. The thread asked "Why No turntable?" and people have been giving their reasons why no turntable for them while others have been given their opinions on why a turntable is important to them.
 
I’m strongly considering adding Analog, but strictly under budget and in comparison to what I have assembled, I’m curious if what I spend will be worth it?

The Clear Audio Concept interests me and their phono amp; will it bring me the best qualities analog is known for?

Will it be better or just different than my digital?

Does it matter?


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UltraFast69 said:
I’m strongly considering adding Analog, but strictly under budget and in comparison to what I have assembled, I’m curious if what I spend will be worth it?

The Clear Audio Concept interests me and their phono amp; will it bring me the best qualities analog is known for?

Will it be better or just different than my digital?

Does it matter?


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Best qualities? It will bring you analog and give you a taste of just how good it can be. But the Concept is an entry level table with an entry level arm and cart. That being said, it will definitely tell you whether its for you to pursue further.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
I don't do any such thing. It's possible to play files on the intranet or local drive(s) on laptop with high to very high (local drive) reliability, vs "stream" services like Tidal, Qobuz etc, which is internet.
Anyone relying on internet streaming services for an audio show needs a clue.
I've done more than a dozen shows with zero problems. To suggest zero moving parts is less reliable than archaic spinning motors dragging diamonds in plastic, is audiophile silly. Let's forget that angle for "why vinyl".
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Again, I clearly said I was talking about streaming music over the internet and not your files loaded on hard drives on your home network. Unless you have SSDs, you still have spinning motors at crazy RPMs. You still have reliability issues with your NAS, server, and DAC.
 
Mike said:
Best qualities? It will bring you analog and give you a taste of just how good it can be. But the Concept is an entry level table with an entry level arm and cart. That being said, it will definitely tell you whether its for you to pursue further.
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I know your right, and what the true cost will end up being, it will be a ride.





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UltraFast69 said:
I know your right, and what the true cost will end up being, it will be a ride.





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I’ll bet you will really enjoy it and begin to listen differently (entire albums vs jumping around tracks and artists). The thing with a vinyl rig is that you don’t have to go nuts (like $400,000 AF Zero).

The VPI HW40 ($15,000) or Avid Acutus DARK ($14,000) with a Ortofon Cadenza Black or similar and a Zesto Phonostage or Manley Chinook or Luxman EQ500 would be an absolute killer rig (and a killer rig in 10 years from now).

BUT, start with a simple, less expensive setup to make sure you really like it. I’m betting you’ll love it. If you do, don’t forget to budget for a record cleaning machine. Everyone bitches about the cost of them, until they get it and then say it’s the best investment they’ve ever made. ClearAudio Double Matrix is the best. But Uber $$$. But worth it IMO.

I would grab a few Music Matters jazz albums before they’re all gone, unless you’re not into jazz. Then, start to research some of your favorite albums and find the good pressings (Acoustic Sounds, Elusive Disc, Discogs). Pay attention to the source of the pressing (if it’s tape, rock on. If it’s digital files, proceed with caution.). For example, the most recent Led Zeppelin releases are cut from the 24/96 files. When you compare those to any of the Classic Records (cut from the master tapes, and the last time those tapes were touched), it’s game over. I’m listening to Led Zeppelin II (Classic Records) right now and it’s incredible. That being said, the latest pressings aren’t bad and are cheap compared to finding a Classic Records release.

For fun, pick up a first pressing of the 1965 Frank Sinatra Strangers in the Night. —> https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/892086462

Buy 10 albums to start. That will get you going.
 
mep said:
Again, I clearly said I was talking about streaming music over the internet and not your files loaded on hard drives on your home network. Unless you have SSDs, you still have spinning motors at crazy RPMs. You still have reliability issues with your NAS, server, and DAC.
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Yes SSDs. But even regular HDs are more reliable than turntables. I have (knock on wood) zero reliability issues with any digital. Period.
But you went further, you clearly implied that digital was not as reliable as LPs.

mep said:
Digital also isn't as stable as vinyl. If you are into streaming and you lose your internet connection, you are screwed until you get your connection back. Analog people can spool up a tape or put an LP on and have sonic bliss. I haven't been to an audio show yet where several digital only rooms were silent because they couldn't get their digital rigs to work. Digital isn't without its own headaches despite what some people say.
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The bolded part is, quite frankly, nonsense. Poor internet connectivity has nothing to do with "digital" playback reliability, which is superior to any form of archaic "analog". You are conflating digital with internet.
If the internet goes down, queue up a CD or a local file or a network file. Instantly.
 
Mike said:
I’ll bet you will really enjoy it and begin to listen differently (entire albums vs jumping around tracks and artists). The thing with a vinyl rig is that you don’t have to go nuts (like $400,000 AF Zero).
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this point is a biggie for me. Shuffle play, play lists, yada yada is nothing more than muzak. would you listen the 4th movement of Pathétique first and then jump back to the 2nd? im not the arbiter of good taste or really care what one does within the confines of their domicile, but skipping around tracks is akin to starting a book on chapter 12 then going straight to chapter 3 then starting a new book on chapter 7 before you even finish the first book! Do you also fast forward through movies just the watch the end and then rewind to the middle? or eat dessert between the 1st and 2nd to last course? its moronic. the next thing you'll be admitting to is regularly listening to yer $500k of hifi 50 ft away off the patio deck while reading the paper:wacko:
 
puroagave said:
this point is a biggie for me. Shuffle play, play lists, yada yada is nothing more than muzak. would you listen the 4th movement of Pathétique first and then jump back to the 2nd? im not the arbiter of good taste or really care what one does within the confines of their domicile, but skipping around tracks is akin to starting a book on chapter 12 then going straight to chapter 3 then starting a new book on chapter 7 before you even finish the first book! Do you also fast forward through movies just the watch the end and then rewind to the middle? or eat dessert first? its moronic. the next thing you'll be admitting to is regularly listening to yer $500k of hifi 50 ft away off the patio deck while reading the paper:wacko:
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Bingo. In the digital domain, I can’t tell you the last time I listened to an entire album all the way through, then played it all the way through again. But right now I’ve got a MOFI release of CSNY Deja Vu playing through for the second time in a row.
 
I’m listening now to two new CDs I bought and ripped today. So far, with the first CD there are two tracks, out of 16, that I will add to my Rock playlist. Now to listen to the 2nd CD, and find it’s decent tracks.
 
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