Why no turntable?
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slowgeezr
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Yep vinyl is the mini-van while digital your sports car.
Oh, geez! I nearly spit out my soft drink as I read that one!
That was funny!
Having both formats is great. and on the digital side, it lets me discovery new music and artists via Tidal.
in MY personal experience, with Audiophile and Non-Audiophile recordings on vinyl, the music can be magical!
keep in mind the examples are strictly based on MY opinion. and just sharing my experience with Vinyl and Digital, to many examples to list.
Example : Regular LP's
Count Basie "Me and You" playing the Vinyl the dynamics are incredible and not the same on Tidal
Sarah Vaughan and Her Trio "At Mister Kelly's" a live recording has incredible room presence and her voice is great and don't get the same emotion of the recording on Tidal
Audiophile Examples:
Mofi---Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" amazing on Vinyl (Dynamics) and on Tidal is very good but the Mofi is supreme.
Music Matters SRX---J.Coltrane "Blue Train" winner is Vinyl all the way.
Analogue Production---- Muddy Waters "Folk Singer" dynamics and emotion of Muddy is amazing on Vinyl, and good on Tidal
Analogue Production----HM "Hope" (Stimela--Coal Train) Vinyl smokes Digital!
having both formats, is a plus in my book, and hearing is believing !
in MY personal experience, with Audiophile and Non-Audiophile recordings on vinyl, the music can be magical!
keep in mind the examples are strictly based on MY opinion. and just sharing my experience with Vinyl and Digital, to many examples to list.
Example : Regular LP's
Count Basie "Me and You" playing the Vinyl the dynamics are incredible and not the same on Tidal
Sarah Vaughan and Her Trio "At Mister Kelly's" a live recording has incredible room presence and her voice is great and don't get the same emotion of the recording on Tidal
Audiophile Examples:
Mofi---Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" amazing on Vinyl (Dynamics) and on Tidal is very good but the Mofi is supreme.
Music Matters SRX---J.Coltrane "Blue Train" winner is Vinyl all the way.
Analogue Production---- Muddy Waters "Folk Singer" dynamics and emotion of Muddy is amazing on Vinyl, and good on Tidal
Analogue Production----HM "Hope" (Stimela--Coal Train) Vinyl smokes Digital!
having both formats, is a plus in my book, and hearing is believing !
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Well known to be a 16/44.1 digital recording, using one of those early ADC's that Mike was denigrating earlier in this thread :wacko:
the Mofi 45RPM is on a whole different level than anything on digital and CD.... smoking dynamics!
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Yes, an early Sony DASH recoding. Not stellar in any format IMO. But the vinyl does seem to take off some of the edge. Wish they had chosen tape. Would have sounded much better I’m sure.
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Leading to the obvious question - how is this possible? And the answer, of course, is that it isn't, without some hocus-pocus in either the digital mastering or inaccuracies of LP playback, or both.
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Listen to the 45 RPM version of MoFi BIA cut The Man's Too Strong and compare it to Tidal. The bass is incredibly powerful. The Tidal version is MIA.
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Where is the bottom end on the digital version vs. the MoFi 45 RPM?
Mike Lavigne
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it was an early digital recording, but mastered to tape. so the definitive way to hear it is vinyl. the digital from the vinyl master will sound how that typically does.
agree on the MoFi 45, it's pretty good.
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It’s very possible. The turntable has its own set of variables. As one example, one can lower the VTA ever so slightly to take the edge of bright recordings. There is also the remastering stage (for vinyl). There also isn’t the hocus-pocus of added noise from a network which often reveals itself in the upper register. Conversely, the digital can also sound better in many systems with the right DAC, network, remastering, etc.
At the end of the day, it’s not a great recording, but it is a great album however you choose to enjoy it.
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Damn, now I have to go back and listen to my MoFI pressing.
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The MoFi 45 is the best version I have ever heard of this LP.
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Oh yes. I’ve got the MOFI SACD version too. Great album.
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I don't even know what this means? You're basically saying that all CD's will sound "better" (whatever that means) if one records them to tape and then listens to that. All very well and good, but "high fidelity" isn't part of that equation.
I wouldn't care about the audiophile love of LP's except for this phenomenon, that the record companies simply will not release a product that sounds as good as it can. No matter how good the 45 rpm LP sounds, a CD made from the original recording, properly mastered, would sound better; there's really no way that isn't true. BUT, apparently that isn't going to happen
Mike Lavigne
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sigh.
I love 16/44 and listen to it often with great satisfaction. and music recorded and mastered to 16/44 is typically outstanding. I'm a 'native' guy and format agnostic in as much as I want to hear it as god intended......in the native recorded format. which is why I'm heavily invested in digital, vinyl and tape. I love all of the formats.
I was wrong above (that it was mastered to analog tape, it was mastered to DAT tape.....I got the tape part right) when I was going from my memory. here is what it says on the Wiki link....
I have the dsd rip from the 96/24 sourced SACD of Brothers in Arms (and a quality way to play it back) and it is very nice.
I do have a number of digitally sourced Lp's where I do prefer the digital to the Lp. but it's a mixed situation 'depending'. in this case the 45rpm Lp is better. maybe the 'analog board' inserted between the direct recording and the DAT?
I had a reasonably nice turn table and cart - something from rega and a grado cart on it. Neither were top of the line nor entry level. I paired it with a simple Schiit phono amp and bought some records. It sounded great and wasn't as fussy as I thought it would be - though the driver excursion did scare the hell out of me at times.
The sound was good but certainly not as detailed as the digital I like. There was a wonderful body to vocals that I really enjoyed but I did find it a bit too rich and dark for my liking. I'll chalk that up to the rega - I've never been a fan of the traditional british hifi sound. My favorite audio products from the UK are chord and dcs if that gives an idea of my preference (hell, liking soulution and magico probably gives an even better idea).
I ended up selling it all after about a year for pretty much no cost to own. Most of the music I listen to just isn't released on vinyl. Despite this knowledge, I may continue to be a silly audiophile by...picking up a more expensive turntable and giving it another shot lol but it's at the bottom of my list. The generally higher dynamic range of most recordings on vinyl vs digital is certainly enticing so I keep a look out to see if more artists are releasing on vinly. To that end, they are, but still not at that critical mass where I feel compelled to set up another TT rig.