What are you driving your Magico's with?

YMMV with 3 feet IMO to a back wall. Don't be fooled by the fact that they're a sealed port design - the laws of physics and acoustics have not been repealed, there is still a back wave to deal with for any speaker and given the Magico bass , it'll be a significant factor. Based on my experience , treatment of the 1st reflection point is pretty key.

I am using Maggie 20.7's driven by VAC 450IQ's.
 
Bobolaclune said:
YMMV with 3 feet IMO to a back wall. Don't be fooled by the fact that they're a sealed port design - the laws of physics and acoustics have not been repealed, there is still a back wave to deal with for any speaker and given the Magico bass , it'll be a significant factor. Based on my experience , treatment of the 1st reflection point is pretty key.

I am using Maggie 20.7's driven by VAC 450IQ's.
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So how do I remedy this 1st reflection point? Not sure where that is either....[emoji1]
 
Bobolaclune said:
http://www.advancedacoustics-uk.com/What-Is-The-First-Reflection-Point

http://realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm

In your room - somewhere along that fireplace wall is my guess & the open space on the other side
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Bobo

Thanks for the links. Plenty good info. One question, I know exactly what to do with the reflection point at the fireplace which is to my right. But what about the open space to my left? Would there even be any reflections since it's pretty much a wide open area or do I simply find the nearest (reflecting) wall and treat it?
 
stanly.joseph said:
Bobo

Thanks for the links. Plenty good info. One question, I know exactly what to do with the reflection point at the fireplace which is to my right. But what about the open space to my left? Would there even be any reflections since it's pretty much a wide open area or do I simply find the nearest (reflecting) wall and treat it?
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As the Bard wrote "There's the rub". I suggest you read up on it and /or consult with someone. My opinion is - the problem doesn't go away because there isn't a surface to reflect off ..... It creates a room imbalance and potentially more issues. If you've been happy up to now......
 
stanly.joseph said:
I've got the 803's about 3 feet away from the wall so the S3, if I were to go that route, would fit in nicely in that spot.

What speakers are you driving now?
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Stanley, I own the S3s and would agree with the earlier statements. 3ft away from the wall is the minimum for the for the soundstage to form, which is one of the strengths of the speakers. They disappear completely, if treated right.

Further, I think that the speakers need some space. My listening room is 67,5 sq ft and I would say the S3s need that air.


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I agree with Shodhan and others. For your room, S5 mk2 (if you can swing it).


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Bobolaclune said:
I don't think you mean 67.5 sq ft do you?
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Bobolaclune, it appears you are reading the postings carefully.

Apologies for my European mistake, my music room is indeed not the loo. I was meaning to say a bit more than 200 sq ft (236.806 sq ft).


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FlexibleAudio said:
Nothing related to polarity in electronic sense. I was merely referring to my feeling they tend to pit audiophiles against each other in winner-take-all, battle-to-the-death about sound quality more so than other speakers. (Ergo my point about the importance of hearing them yourself).
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I would (partially) agree with you on the Magico Q series. They do generate polarizing opinions, just as much the Soulution gear you are using, which also happens to be extremely resolving and transparent.

However, the Magico S series sound very different to Q series. Much more accessible.
 
Mike said:
I agree with Shodhan and others. For your room, S5 mk2 (if you can swing it).


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I would otherwise recommend the S3, as it is the newer design, which brings out the mids better due to the sub enclosure, but Mike has a point with the Mk II S5.

...Diamond coated Beryllium tweeter, graphene midrange, aluminum woofers with graphene dust cap, similar sub enclosure design as in the S3, a bunch of Mundorf components...

And yes, drooling is allowed in this case.

PS: Looking at your listening space however, at this point you might get a bigger improvement from working on the acoustics a bit, than by speaker replacement. But I would get the S5 MkII nevertheless :).


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Kuoppis said:
I would otherwise recommend the S3, as it is the newer design, which brings out the mids better due to the sub enclosure, but Mike has a point with the Mk II S5.

...Diamond coated Beryllium tweeter, graphene midrange, aluminum woofers with graphene dust cap, similar sub enclosure design as in the S3, a bunch of Mundorf components...

And yes, drooling is allowed in this case.

PS: Looking at your listening space however, at this point you might get a bigger improvement from working on the acoustics a bit, than by speaker replacement. But I would get the S5 MkII nevertheless :).


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That's the plan. Gonna work on room treatment first before deciding on speaker replacement. So you guys don't think the S5 is an overkill? Would it function optimally 3-3.5 feet away from the wall?
 
Kuoppis said:
Stanley, I own the S3s and would agree with the earlier statements. 3ft away from the wall is the minimum for the for the soundstage to form, which is one of the strengths of the speakers. They disappear completely, if treated right.

Further, I think that the speakers need some space. My listening room is 67,5 sq ft and I would say the S3s need that air.


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As you could probably gather from the pics of my listening room Kuoppis, I have plenty of room for air to move from front to back sideways and top to bottom. The size of my listening room is approx 30 by 20 by 8-12 feet cathedral ceilings.

I just need to treat the space acoustically and hopefully that'll resolve most of the problems I'm experiencing before deciding on plunging deep into real high end stuff.

It would be friggin awesome and beautiful to have the magicos in my domain that's for sure....
 
stanly.joseph said:
That's the plan. Gonna work on room treatment first before deciding on speaker replacement. So you guys don't think the S5 is an overkill? Would it function optimally 3-3.5 feet away from the wall?
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Mine are 3.5 from the wall in a 14x19 room. No problem.
 
stanly.joseph said:
As you could probably gather from the pics of my listening room Kuoppis, I have plenty of room for air to move from front to back sideways and top to bottom. The size of my listening room is approx 30 by 20 by 8-12 feet cathedral ceilings.

I just need to treat the space acoustically and hopefully that'll resolve most of the problems I'm experiencing before deciding on plunging deep into real high end stuff.

It would be friggin awesome and beautiful to have the magicos in my domain that's for sure....
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Start a new thread about how to tame the acoustics in your room, I'd love to help but this thread isn't the proper place.
 
Vapor1 said:
Start a new thread about how to tame the acoustics in your room, I'd love to help but this thread isn't the proper place.
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It started out with me inquiring about the magicos S3 vs S5 but somehow it evolved into room acoustics and what not...[emoji846]
 
JanF said:
The measurements of “linearly deviation” you are showing are typical of tweeters without ferrofluid. They have no correlation to listening fatigue the way THD do, they simply show that these tweeters don’t keep up with the rest of the speaker at high SPL (not a great thing but a decent compromise, as ferrofluid “slow down” the tweeters and sound awful). Magico S5 measurements on Sound Stage are overall some of the best they ever took, and Yg, unfortunately, are some of the worst. There is much more to a loudspeaker then flat on-axis response, Yg new design may be better, but no matter how hard I looked, I could not find any current THD measurements on them.
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JA measured the YG's THD in the Sonja review, which is somewhat rare:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/...-loudspeaker-measurements#VoUxyPYoY1VsBKeW.97

"This is a low-distortion speaker. A 500Hz tone at a high continuous SPL of 95dB at 24" generated just 0.1% of third harmonic (fig.11), while the distortion harmonics were even lower than that with a 1kHz tone at the same SPL (fig.12). In this graph, the second and fourth harmonics are the highest in level, at –66dB each (0.05%). With a stimulus higher in frequency, the tweeter produced about 0.2% of second harmonic at this same high SPL."

But in general, as far as using 1 steady-state THD graph to purport alleged superiority, I'm sorry but I don't agree with that type analysis whatsoever.

 
I think whats a far more interesting topic is what a speaker designer thinks are important measurements - maybe i'll start a thread in the Vapor forum for Ryan's input.
 
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