The measurements of “linearly deviation” you are showing are typical of tweeters without ferrofluid. They have no correlation to listening fatigue the way THD do, they simply show that these tweeters don’t keep up with the rest of the speaker at high SPL (not a great thing but a decent compromise, as ferrofluid “slow down” the tweeters and sound awful). Magico S5 measurements on Sound Stage are overall some of the best they ever took, and Yg, unfortunately, are some of the worst. There is much more to a loudspeaker then flat on-axis response, Yg new design may be better, but no matter how hard I looked, I could not find any current THD measurements on them.
What are you driving your Magico's with?
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The measurements of “linearly deviation” you are showing are typical of tweeters without ferrofluid. They have no correlation to listening fatigue the way THD do, they simply show that these tweeters don’t keep up with the rest of the speaker at high SPL (not a great thing but a decent compromise, as ferrofluid “slow down” the tweeters and sound awful). Magico S5 measurements on Sound Stage are overall some of the best they ever took, and Yg, unfortunately, are some of the worst. There is much more to a loudspeaker then flat on-axis response, Yg new design may be better, but no matter how hard I looked, I could not find any current THD measurements on them.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluid
Ferrofluids are commonly used in loudspeakers to remove heat from the voice coil, and to passively damp the movement of the cone. They reside in what would normally be the air gap around the voice coil, held in place by the speaker's magnet. Since ferrofluids are paramagnetic, they obey Curie's law and thus become less magnetic at higher temperatures. A strong magnet placed near the voice coil (which produces heat) will attract cold ferrofluid more than hot ferrofluid thus forcing the heated ferrofluid away from the electric voice coil and toward a heat sink. This is an efficient cooling method which requires no additional energy input.[12]
Ferrofluids of suitable composition can exhibit extremely large enhancement in thermal conductivity (k; ~300% of the base fluid thermal conductivity). The large enhancement in k is due to the efficient transport of heat through percolating nanoparticle paths. Special magnetic nanofluids with tunable thermal conductivity to viscosity ratio can be used as multifunctional ‘smart materials’ that can remove heat and also arrest vibrations (damper). Such fluids may find applications in microfluidic devices and microelectromechanical systems.
Fascinating.
Ferrofluids are commonly used in loudspeakers to remove heat from the voice coil, and to passively damp the movement of the cone. They reside in what would normally be the air gap around the voice coil, held in place by the speaker's magnet. Since ferrofluids are paramagnetic, they obey Curie's law and thus become less magnetic at higher temperatures. A strong magnet placed near the voice coil (which produces heat) will attract cold ferrofluid more than hot ferrofluid thus forcing the heated ferrofluid away from the electric voice coil and toward a heat sink. This is an efficient cooling method which requires no additional energy input.[12]
Ferrofluids of suitable composition can exhibit extremely large enhancement in thermal conductivity (k; ~300% of the base fluid thermal conductivity). The large enhancement in k is due to the efficient transport of heat through percolating nanoparticle paths. Special magnetic nanofluids with tunable thermal conductivity to viscosity ratio can be used as multifunctional ‘smart materials’ that can remove heat and also arrest vibrations (damper). Such fluids may find applications in microfluidic devices and microelectromechanical systems.
Fascinating.
No idea. You need to ask Soundstage editors.
Alex,
I have addressed the linearity argument on a different forum a few days ago, so instead of rewriting it, I will just quote myself:
Magico S5 only deviate from linearity >2kHz, which means that this is only tweeter shows slight compression (probably due to heat buildup). This is quite typical for a tweeters that have no ferrofluid to aid voicecoil cooling. Magico uses a top of the range Scan-Speak berillium tweeter, regarded by many as the very best dome tweeter available on the market today. Scan-Speak got rid of the ferrofluid in their top of the range models on purpose, to reduce distortion and increase resolution / microdynamics. Apparently, there is (as always in life) a slight trade off. That said, I haven't heard of anyone blowing the Berylium tweeter on any Magico (or Rockport) speaker.
The midrange and bass drivers (both custom made to Magico specs) show ZERO linearity errors and show lowest distortion of all speakers ever measured by both soundstage.com and German AUDIO (which is another magazine that publishes speakers' distortion #s).
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And you know for a fact that current YG tweeters have ferrofluid? I see...
As far as the Magico tweeter, not impressed. They blow up all the time, rather easily actually. I won't go in detail, but I've helped folks who fried theirs...
I'll leave you all to it now...
A sad reply from an audio dealer. This is a Magico forum, and you are here “pretending” to like it, while quietly, or not anymore, trashing it and pushing your agendas. If you carry good products, you should be able to sell them for their merits and without the the need to trash others. Now I sure hope you will leave us at that, you should have stopped while ahead, perhaps 4-5 posts ago…
I know quite a few Magico owners, but never heard anyone blowing up anything. There was a gent on WBF that had blown S5 midrange playing them to concert levels using his Pass X600.5 monos (which put down 1200W at 4 Ohms ...). He even melted a part in the x-over :weird:
I remember David Wilson once told me a story of his customer in Brasil who was constantly blowing the KEF midbass in the WAMM. He was the only customer that ever did that. We went through 4 pairs of replacement woofers, before David Wilson personally told him that he should think about a PA system if he wants to listen at those concert levels.
You said that you had seen someone blowing up the tweeter - it only shows that Scan Speak tweeters are not indestructible. Scan Speak rates those tweeters 150W with second order x-over at 2.5kHz. Magico uses far steeper filters, which should allow it to handle even more power.
IMO this happens as Magico speakers are so low in distortion, that you cannot hear them breaking up, like you would do with regular speakers. So you keep cranking them up, untill it is too late. It is especially true if you have amps that can put down 1200W of continous power, like the Pass monos mentioned. You do not hear them going into clipping either, which would another sign for you to turn it down.
IMO, in a wierd way, Magicos are victims of their own technical excellence.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Magico has since addressed the tweeter issue, but when I bought my Q3s years ago, my dealer warned be to be very careful with the tweeter, b/c they would "blow" easily. FWIW.
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From my listening sessions Magico pairs very nicely with Solution and Constellation. The results I have heard with Spectral, BALabo, Devialet, Aesthetix and VAC were not quite to those levels.
There have never been any 'issue'. See my post above and use common sense.
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LVB,
I don't pretend anything, I have a pair of Q3s that I actually paid for, as a regular customer. I still have them, even though I sell different brands/products. What do you know, maybe I really do like them! Or maybe I'm a masochist, and I just keep them to inflict pain on myself?
Again, you're slandering me for no reason. I've got to ask you to stop with the personal, slanderous attacks.
Seriously, look back and see how's throwing mud towards which brand.
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Hi guys
I'm looking into a speaker upgrade. Currently I'm powering the 803D's with a C2500/MC452 combo and I never thought the weakest link in the chain or end chain in this case would be the B&W's. So colorful, resonant and boomy!
And so I'm considering between the magicos S3 or S5. Does anyone know the main differences between the two? My system is located in the living room about 30 by 20 with tapered ceilings. Pics below. I don't want to overkill the room with the S5 or do the opposite with S3.
Any advice is greatly appreciated guys. Thanks much.
I'm looking into a speaker upgrade. Currently I'm powering the 803D's with a C2500/MC452 combo and I never thought the weakest link in the chain or end chain in this case would be the B&W's. So colorful, resonant and boomy!
And so I'm considering between the magicos S3 or S5. Does anyone know the main differences between the two? My system is located in the living room about 30 by 20 with tapered ceilings. Pics below. I don't want to overkill the room with the S5 or do the opposite with S3.
Any advice is greatly appreciated guys. Thanks much.
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Stan,
As most folks say, all speakers need to be listened to but IMO especially Magicos. Very, very resolving. Some like it; some don't. Read a few threads. Very polarizing transducers.
As most folks say, all speakers need to be listened to but IMO especially Magicos. Very, very resolving. Some like it; some don't. Read a few threads. Very polarizing transducers.
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Do you mind elaborating on the "Polarizing transducers" ? Thanks
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Nothing related to polarity in electronic sense. I was merely referring to my feeling they tend to pit audiophiles against each other in winner-take-all, battle-to-the-death about sound quality more so than other speakers. (Ergo my point about the importance of hearing them yourself).
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I am a Q3 owner . Based upon your pics , I can say with some confidence that the S5's would be way too much speaker for that room. From two perspectives - bass loading & positioning. I don't think you could place either the S3 or more especially the S5 that close to the front wall. Positioning is super critical with Magico's, more than most makes. You might end up with first reflection point issues as well with the fireplace and the open space on the other side. S3's might work but they'd be a good 2 feet + further out in the room. Also not sure about the pairing with McIntosh for any Magico - they like grippy, fast , detailed amps . FWIW, my Q3's are 8 feet out in a 27 X 17 room. Or were , I've moved on .....one of the guys who admires their technical excellence , speed and detail but can never warm to their signature which to my ears is ruthlessly revealing
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I've got the 803's about 3 feet away from the wall so the S3, if I were to go that route, would fit in nicely in that spot.
What speakers are you driving now?