WBF Insanity

At any rate, things seem to have settled down at WBF with no apparent further disclosure of the behind-the-scene actions.
 
WBF will shutdown soon. A risk management assessment would suggest a high propensity of legal liability.

Probably best to pat the shovel and walk away.
 
Steve said:
WBF will shutdown soon. A risk management assessment would suggest a high propensity of legal liability.

Probably best to pat the shovel and walk away.
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And next all things law, the US Congress will no doubt have some special hearing to identify what went wrong, whose at fault and ways to mediate further forum atrocities
 
I just caught up with the goings on over there, not sure it was worth the brain damage. I did post on WBF for few years and it was a great site and resource with some heavy hitting contributors. If it weren't for WBF I wouldn't have met some cool people I now consider audio buddies. Never would I have imagined it would end up as it has, my question for those that still contribute at WBF, why??
 
Want to buy Xanax online, then go to WBF! The forum is now being trashed by spammers hitting it hard with junk threads.
 
puroagave said:
I just caught up with the goings on over there, not sure it was worth the brain damage. I did post on WBF for few years and it was a great site and resource with some heavy hitting contributors. If it weren't for WBF I wouldn't have met some cool people I now consider audio buddies. Never would I have imagined it would end up as it has, my question for those that still contribute at WBF, why??
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Why? Because there are still some excellent discussions over there, that's why.
 
KeithR said:
comes down to the fact there wasn't mutual respect among the subjectivist vs. objectivity positions over there. the forum became a bunch of armchair engineers that had such indoctrinated opinions there was no common ground. if you weren't a digital, class D, speakers with "best parts" or "Harmon method" guy - you were ridiculed. frequency response graphs took the place of ears due to the holier than thou crowd that worships at the THD pedestal. as someone who reads and enjoys measurements, but uses them in context with his ears, it was a disappointment. unfortunately it started at the top.
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I have to agree with some of what your saying. I think when folks started "judging" others started the spiral-happens on other forums too. I still post there and will continue...it's not all bad...but have to pick and choose on a few threads.
 
I am not a member over there but read a lot of the great content. They have a number of very, very knowledgable posters. Sad to see things go too far.

IMO both their Objectivists and Subjectivists could have been a little more open minded. The reality is much of the psychoacoustic world can not be measured and yet at the same time certain acoustic measurements or tests can disprove the existence of false idols like the placebo effect and expectation bias which give our hobby a bad image. That said, (again IMO) a few of the Objectivists probably went too far in failing to acknowledge musics deeply rooted emotional drivers and the complexity of the human mind.[h=1][/h]
 
Tried to register there the same time I did here. Didn't go through over there for some reason (?)

Probably just as well...
 
One of the big issues was that Amir went off the train tracks. At the end--and where else but on WBF would this even be a bone of contention--they had to argue over whether a PM was really private? HUH? People have a certain expectation of privacy. Otherwise they should just post the note on board.

At the end, Amir in his insane bid to try and one up Steve and use other pawns like Mark and I in his battle, publically posted not only PMs but also private emails from moderators to members on the board. Amir saw fit to post over two years old emails taken out of context, long ago settled in his desperate attempt to try and stir up trouble again. I've never seen such an EGREGIOUS breach of ethical practices and confidentiality in my life and that alone should have disqualified him as an admin. Why he is left run around the forum is beyond me and he should be permanently banned.

So what happened when I sent an email to Amir requesting very politely that he take down these posts and I was due an apology? Why should I take them down? And tons more obfuscation. I made it clear from the get go that I didn't want to get involved in their fight but all Amir wanted to argue. (I'm sure Mike or I would have never been in that situation). Finally after several emails, I finally asked Amir point blank, just tell me yes or no, are you going to take the post down? Was it that difficult a question? Is he that dense? So what did Amir do? (that is after he told me how he had always been my friend and looking out for me on the BB; we know that old adage!) He doubled down and posted online the rest of the email that was sent to me before he was deposed.

Steve and the other mods were also cc'd on this email (interesting though everyone was cc'd, Amir only responded to me) and as soon as he found out about Amir's horribly unethical practices, he asked what he could do and also apologized for his fellow admin's actions. As soon as Amir was removed as an admin, Steve immediately took those posts down, no questions asked, inquired if there were any other posts that needed addressing and once again apologized to me. So thanks to Steve for handling that situation like a gentleman.
 
I think the problem was he considered himself an activist of some sort of 'principles'. He had these principles of what is right and wrong, he thought he was an activist for objectivists no matter if they were trolls and not genuine objectivists, and he spent his time trying to cut paste things to put in his context to frame a response that he thought explained his 'priniciple'. He actually thought there was a conspiracy theory to eradicate all objectivists from the forum. In the process, he would cut-paste a lot of things out of context, and not realize that these principles are made up and not really a big deal. I could decide now why posting more than ten lines is a bad practice and forever fight on defending that principle - doesn't make it right
 
Certainly Steve Williams feels disappointed and embarrassed by the machinations. He actually stated to me that he cannot disagree with the negative public sentiment as to the administrative bickering, alleged criminality and why the forum should even continue. They are a laughing stock, and the transgressions have been damaging to the international HiFi community.

Needless to say, I never posted, contributed or associated myself to WBF and no longer have an active communication channel. If Steve decided to align his interests elsewhere, then I may like many others choose to support those endeavours. But as far as I'm concerned WBF is a poison apple that I wouldn't waste my time with.
 
I don't see any reason to call it a poison apple. It is a forum about a fun hobby. It had problems, it will move on. There is audioshark, audio asylum, relevant to me a couple of UK forums (which have tons of their own problems)...these are for fun, occasionally there are some PITA members on who hopefully get weeded out.

At the end of the day audiophiles use the internet to surf information on products they are interested in, along the way make some audiophile buddies they meet up with, some from forum A, some from forum B. So let's not convict and execute an audiophile forum by firing squad here.
 
Bonzo...people may get dislocated but they generally move on to wherever there is civility.

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I think WBF has already "recovered" significantly, if not in the court of public opinion then in the way that really matters, having informative, civil discussions about high-end audio and music. AFAICT the atmosphere there is dramatically different and vastly improved, although given where it "started" 2-3 weeks ago there is still a long way to go. If you used to enjoy reading there I think you'd be silly to write it off; posting and actively participating is a different matter.
 
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