To jab or not to jab

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Pearce Harrison said:
All of which is interesting, but how is this relevant? The current death toll after just over 1 year in the US is more than 500K! That is more people dead than died in the Vietnam and Korean war put together!
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I would not get upset by those numbers so fast. With hospitals enjoying a very healthy premium on covid diagnosis and with the false positive rates due to an overly sensitive test, it is easy to fall for that one. I know how the healthcare system works. It was a $40k diagnosis for the hospital.


"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

Jensen clarified in the video that he doesn't think physicians are "gaming the system" so much as other "players," such as hospital administrators, who he said may pressure physicians to cite all diagnoses, including "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act. Past practice, Jensen said, did not include probabilities.
 
TheOctopus said:
I would not get upset by those numbers so fast. With hospitals enjoying a very healthy premium on covid diagnosis and with the false positive rates due to an overly sensitive test, it is easy to fall for that one. I know how the healthcare system works. It was a $40k diagnosis for the hospital.


"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

Jensen clarified in the video that he doesn't think physicians are "gaming the system" so much as other "players," such as hospital administrators, who he said may pressure physicians to cite all diagnoses, including "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act. Past practice, Jensen said, did not include probabilities.
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That's a nice theory, do you have any proof?
 
Pearce Harrison said:
And there will be some issues with the Covid vaccinations, my point being that nobody in their right mind today would risk getting polio vs taking the polio vaccination. I'm sure there were plenty of naysayers when Salk invented the polio vaccination as well....
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I don't think there were as many that would have been anti vaccine. We live in the day and age where information is disseminated across the world in seconds and also is heavily biased as well as twisted and manipulated. Back in the day, people just rolled up the sleeve with total faith in their doctor and probably zero concern. The polio batch that got the kids sick was eventually pulled but it was too late.

In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.
 
For some reason it is hard to find the actual numbers of how many have been vaccinated but by the CDC count, 126 Million doses have been administered. Some sources say half the US population is vaccinated. If that is the case, at 70% we should be reaching herd immunity from what I have read and heard. Almost there.

126 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 22, 2021.

Of course not without some tragic outcomes but supposedly the vaccine is not to blame.

During this time, VAERS received 2,216 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC
 
TheOctopus said:
Not a theory. FACT. Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients
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Proof that the web can be a dangerous place...

what you read was the fact that hospitals get more money from insurance if the patient has Covid than a cold ( or whatever disease you want to place here). This is obviously going to be the case if the facility has to engage in more acute care because of Covid...wouldn't you want and expect to get higher pay for more work?? What you did NOT read is the fact with proof that administrators are actually gaming the system and reporting false Covid diagnoses, thereby requiring more payment for care that was not in fact administered. That is what I was asking you for proof of:hey:...and now its your turn, LOL.
 
Pearce Harrison said:
Proof that the web can be a dangerous place...

what you read was the fact that hospitals get more money from insurance if the patient has Covid than a cold ( or whatever disease you want to place here). This is obviously going to be the case if the facility has to engage in more acute care because of Covid...wouldn't you want and expect to get higher pay for more work?? What you did NOT read is the fact with proof that administrators are actually gaming the system and reporting false Covid diagnoses, thereby requiring more payment for care that was not in fact administered. That is what I was asking you for proof of:hey:...and now its your turn, LOL.
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Yes, everything was honest and transparent so the bad Medicare people were just plain mean when they

CMS implemented the provisions of Section 3710 of the CARES Act in CR 11764. The MLN Matters article related to that CR is available at https://www.cms.gov/files/document/mm11764.pdf.

To address potential Medicare program integrity risks, effective with admissions occurring on or after September 1, 2020, claims eligible for the 20 percent increase in the MS-DRG weighting factor will also be required to have a positive COVID-19 laboratory test documented in the patient’s medical record. Positive tests must be demonstrated using only the results of viral testing (i.e., molecular or antigen), consistent with CDC guidelines. The test may be performed either during the hospital admission or prior to the hospital admission.

By the way, Medicare fraud and abuse is into the billions annually . I would hate to see 2020 actual numbers that were COVID up charges.


The FY 2019 Medicare FFS estimated improper payment rate is 7.25 percent, representing $28.91 billion in improper payments, compared to the FY 2018 estimated improper payment rate of 8.12 percent, representing $31.62 billion in improper payments.
 
Pearce Harrison said:
Finally, this is a post that I agree with. What you have stated before about the risks of the vaccination (mainly the RNA based versions) is also very true, BUT one can not really know what the negative impacts for the long term are...which has always been somewhat true, even when folk like Jonas Salk were developing their vaccinations....and yet today I doubt that most people would be too scared of the polio vaccination...vs. the nightmare of getting polio!
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Gates Vaccine Spreads Polio Across Africa | New Eastern Outlook
 
dminches said:
The AZ vaccine has not been approved in the US but 3 others have. All 3 have close to a 100% efficacy against hospitalization and death.

One of the issues with perceived low risk groups not getting vaccinated is that they can still spread it to unvaccinated people in higher risk groups. In addition, how does someone really now they are low risk? There have been countless deaths among young people who thought they were completely healthy.
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The reason you are still wearing masks after getting the injections is because although you may not suffer from the symptoms, you can still have and transmit it to others including those who chose not to be injected. The Unvaxed may actually become the high risk group because the Vaxed become the Super Spreaders.

There are already several proven remedies if you get it as well as ways to help prevent more than asymptomatic. HCQ was poo poo'd only because in order to use the Emergency Authorizations for the Injections (diguised as vaccines) could only be done if there are NO KNOWN other ways to deal with whatever illness is in question. They rushed these Injections. They had to skip all of the Non Clinical Trials because in the past they have tried many times to come up with a "Vaccine" for several of the known Covid Strains and the Animals all died. So this time around they just bypassed that critical step in Drug Release Protocol. (I have been working in the Pharma Field for 15 years specifically with Submissions to all the World Agencies for Approval and Lifecycle of all drugs. I spent countless hours dealing with Covid Submissions being rushed thru the pipeline)

If you are or feel like you are in a higher risk group and you believe that your only chance at life is to get injected with contents unknown to the general public, by all means do that. I get that it is a real Flu Like Illness and people are just as scared of the Seasonal Flu. I get that it does harm and take life from those mostly with an underlying condition. Also, I would not label myself an Anti Vaxer but I am a bit skeptical this time around.

Some people, even younger people that appear to be in shape, are toxic or acidic which is prime for all illness and disease. The key is to become as Alkaline as you can, which fights off many things including colds and flues. Vitamin D3, Zink, Pharma Grade Baking Soda are just a few along with lots of green leafy veggies.

A few of the things that were put into place actually made us all more toxic, which then makes more people get sick and or possibly die. They made us wear a mask which forces you to breath back in your own carbon dioxide, which in turn makes you more acidic. Then they shut down all physical activity such as Gyms, Sports, School which stopped people from Exercising. Guess what, when you don't exercise, you become more acidic and toxic which allows more diseases to be had, including helping to boost the cases of Covid.

As far as the QTY of cases and deaths go, we had bad tests and bad testing. Even the guy who helped invent the PCR tests said they were useless and begged to have them stopped in use for Covid. Even Fruit and never used swabs tested positive for Covid. During the whole of 2020, it did not matter what you actually died from, if you somehow tested positive for Covid after having a Heart Attack, you died of Covid in order to pad the stats.

When it comes to Herd Immunity, Everyone does not need to get Injected, only the High Risk and those who think they have to or want to. Herd Immunity kicks in long before you need 100% of the people injected.

Pearce Harrison said:
Perhaps a better way to proceed would be to ask the question...why would you NOT get vaccinated against a potentially deadly infection if you have the opportunity to do that??
The answer from Anti-Vaxers is going to be dependent on a number of personal issues...including religious beliefs, conspiracy theories ( to which there are always numerous numbers of these), long and short term safety concerns and other social mores that may or may not be a factor.
Looking at statistics is interesting, BUT if YOU happen to be the one in a million that is impacted, try then arguing that it is a conspiracy theory and only happens to someone else...
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Why would I not get an Experimental Biological Injection?
Because I am not as Trusting as the general public. I am healthy enough to wait and see what the real Fallout will be from all this if any. I hope there isn’t real issues but I am not willing to be the one to find out first.

Do you always buy the first Model Year Car before others do?

Again, I don’t think the whole thing is conspiracy, I acknowledge that there is a virus that was released upon us after it was being manipulated in the lab and funded by US Tax Dollars. The Money Trail is out there to find for yourself. And if you are or feel that you are high risk, go for it, it’s your choice, just like it is mine not to.

TheOctopus said:
I’m against vaccinating kids and the young population without having a good long term trial. Anything else is putting the future generations at potential risk. We have the past history to refer back to. Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

The J&J may be a more conventional vaccine but show me long term safety of mRNA vaccines they are going to use on our kids... insanity in my opinion.
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Bingo! Do not put the younger population at risk by giving them Experimental Biological Injections that were never tested properly from the start let alone never tested on children. Until we actually know what the future fallout will be in adults, children should not be Injected.

I don’t think the short trials in Adults was nearly enough. You realize they were already producing the stuff at the same time they were “Testing” it or there would never have been a December rollout.

dminches said:
So I guess you would have been against vaccinating kids against measles, small pox, polio and all the other diseases kids are protected against? None of these had long term trials before they were used universally? We all survived.
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They also were Traditional Vaccines, not Experimental Biological Injections that alter your DNA for Life.

TheOctopus said:
The real test will be if the vaccinations become mandatory... Of course don't forget the 3 Million yearly deaths due to the usual causes.

Philosophically speaking, our planet is like the Grand Central Station. People arriving and leaving every minute. The turnover is unstoppable and has been so since this planet harbored life... One should also not mess with nature in labs and try to gain functions of diseases they have no clue how to fight later on....
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Unless they have a well laid out plan for Depopulation and Sustainability, such as the UN, Gates Foundation and others already have in place.

Is everyone going to ignore the batch of Genetically Modified Mosquitoes that were released in Florida?
 
Shadowfax said:
The reason you are still wearing masks after getting the injections is because although you may not suffer from the symptoms, you can still have and transmit it to others including those who chose not to be injected. The Unvaxed may actually become the high risk group because the Vaxed become the Super Spreaders.

There are already several proven remedies if you get it as well as ways to help prevent more than asymptomatic. HCQ was poo poo'd only because in order to use the Emergency Authorizations for the Injections (diguised as vaccines) could only be done if there are NO KNOWN other ways to deal with whatever illness is in question. They rushed these Injections. They had to skip all of the Non Clinical Trials because in the past they have tried many times to come up with a "Vaccine" for several of the known Covid Strains and the Animals all died. So this time around they just bypassed that critical step in Drug Release Protocol. (I have been working in the Pharma Field for 15 years specifically with Submissions to all the World Agencies for Approval and Lifecycle of all drugs. I spent countless hours dealing with Covid Submissions being rushed thru the pipeline)

If you are or feel like you are in a higher risk group and you believe that your only chance at life is to get injected with contents unknown to the general public, by all means do that. I get that it is a real Flu Like Illness and people are just as scared of the Seasonal Flu. I get that it does harm and take life from those mostly with an underlying condition. Also, I would not label myself an Anti Vaxer but I am a bit skeptical this time around.

Some people, even younger people that appear to be in shape, are toxic or acidic which is prime for all illness and disease. The key is to become as Alkaline as you can, which fights off many things including colds and flues. Vitamin D3, Zink, Pharma Grade Baking Soda are just a few along with lots of green leafy veggies.

A few of the things that were put into place actually made us all more toxic, which then makes more people get sick and or possibly die. They made us wear a mask which forces you to breath back in your own carbon dioxide, which in turn makes you more acidic. Then they shut down all physical activity such as Gyms, Sports, School which stopped people from Exercising. Guess what, when you don't exercise, you become more acidic and toxic which allows more diseases to be had, including helping to boost the cases of Covid.

As far as the QTY of cases and deaths go, we had bad tests and bad testing. Even the guy who helped invent the PCR tests said they were useless and begged to have them stopped in use for Covid. Even Fruit and never used swabs tested positive for Covid. During the whole of 2020, it did not matter what you actually died from, if you somehow tested positive for Covid after having a Heart Attack, you died of Covid in order to pad the stats.

When it comes to Herd Immunity, Everyone does not need to get Injected, only the High Risk and those who think they have to or want to. Herd Immunity kicks in long before you need 100% of the people injected.



Why would I not get an Experimental Biological Injection?
Because I am not as Trusting as the general public. I am healthy enough to wait and see what the real Fallout will be from all this if any. I hope there isn’t real issues but I am not willing to be the one to find out first.

Do you always buy the first Model Year Car before others do?

Again, I don’t think the whole thing is conspiracy, I acknowledge that there is a virus that was released upon us after it was being manipulated in the lab and funded by US Tax Dollars. The Money Trail is out there to find for yourself. And if you are or feel that you are high risk, go for it, it’s your choice, just like it is mine not to.



Bingo! Do not put the younger population at risk by giving them Experimental Biological Injections that were never tested properly from the start let alone never tested on children. Until we actually know what the future fallout will be in adults, children should not be Injected.

I don’t think the short trials in Adults was nearly enough. You realize they were already producing the stuff at the same time they were “Testing” it or there would never have been a December rollout.



They also were Traditional Vaccines, not Experimental Biological Injections that alter your DNA for Life.



Unless they have a well laid out plan for Depopulation and Sustainability, such as the UN, Gates Foundation and others already have in place.

Is everyone going to ignore the batch of Genetically Modified Mosquitoes that were released in Florida?
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Is everyone going to ignore the batch of Genetically Modified Mosquitoes that were released in Florida?

Doesn't bother me at all. I've lived in this state for better than 68 years. Mosquitoes are one hell of a problem here along with the pythons and the amount of people moving into the state each day. . Released mosquitoes will be all male, as male mosquitoes do not bite and generally only feed on nectar. Thanks to a conditionally lethal genetic variant, when OX513A mosquitoes mate with wild females, their offspring die before they are old enough for females to begin biting. I have a better chance of getting run into by some freaking out of state tourist.
 
CONS OF GENETICALLY MODIFIED MOSQUITOES

For the critics of GMO mosquitoes, these “Frankenstein” creatures pose an unquantifiable threat that may not have appropriate checks and balances in nature. Here are some of their common complaints or concerns with genetically modified mosquitoes:

Concerns that the GMO mosquitoes may carry or develop unknown pathogens that hurt humans.
Critics say there has not been enough testing and observation of the GMO mosquitoes.
Though the mosquito is an introduced species, native species are now reliant on these mosquitoes for their diet.
Concerns that the GMO mosquitoes may mutate into a stronger mosquito that can reproduce, which poses a whole new threat.
Despite claims to the opposite, a new type of mosquito – a GMO mosquito – will be added to the environment under the GMO plan.
Only areas where humans are present need to be sprayed, which reduces insecticide impact.
Most pesticides have been ruled safe by government researchers, so why risk a GMO release?
Fear that despite the gene modification, some of the hatched GMO mosquitoes will survive to adulthood and breed.
The cost of producing GMO mosquitoes is too expensive and too time-consuming.
There are already numerous methods for destroying mosquitoes or protecting people from them, including the use of a Mosquito Magnet® mosquito trap.
 
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