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MikeCh said:
FlexibleAudio said:
Wow, was this wood properly dried first (i.e., aged or kiln dried)? The moisture content of fresh cut is a whole different issue from humidity and one you will not need to worry about with Chris.
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Hi Paul,

I would venture to guess that the Douglas Fir we used on our deck stairs (I'm pretty sure it was Doug Fir) was kiln dried and not all that well either. For an entire year after installation, we had seams of sap that were produced thru the stain on a few of the treads. Not knowing what Chris' source for wood is, I can't say what process he uses for drying.
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Wood for decks is normally not kiln dried, if you're lucky it was air dried for a while but that's it. It will twist and split as it dries due to stress points in the wood fibers.
 
Alpinist said:
RedSectorA said:
I wouldn't worry about that, any woodworker with limited credential knows how to build furniture in such a way that wood shrinkage will not make it split. Secondly one of the purpose of wood finishes is to slow down changes in humidity levels in wood. Thirdly when they kiln dry wood they bring the moisture down to 6-7% within the wood fiber , one of the result is that wood will never be able to absorb humidity like it used to prior to drying.

I live Montreal where relative humidity levels in a house goes from 80-90% in summer to 30% in the dead of winter. Been building hardwood furniture for over 20 years and never had one split.
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Thanks Dan!

Ken
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My pleasure Ken! For those of you interested in Timber Nation's furniture I wouldn't worry about wood splitting as he has sound woodworking technique from what I saw.
 
RedSectorA said:
Wood for decks is normally not kiln dried, if you're lucky it was air dried for a while but that's it. It will twist and split as it dries due to stress points in the wood fibers.
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The timber we used wasn't specifically for outdoor or deck use but you may be right about the drying process. There is lots of this kind of timber used around here on the interiors of very large ski vacation homes from what my neighbor told me. He's the finish carpenter who helped me build our stairs. Who knows.

Those 3x12's aren't the only solid wood items around here that have checked and shrunk though. I just used their bulk/size as an example of what can happen.

p.s. as I mentioned, since Chris stands behind his product I may just do it and see.
 
RedSectorA said:
I wouldn't worry about that, any woodworker with limited credential knows how to build furniture in such a way that wood shrinkage will not make it split. Secondly one of the purpose of wood finishes is to slow down changes in humidity levels in wood. Thirdly when they kiln dry wood they bring the moisture down to 6-7% within the wood fiber , one of the result is that wood will never be able to absorb humidity like it used to prior to drying.

I live Montreal where relative humidity levels in a house goes from 80-90% in summer to 30% in the dead of winter. Been building hardwood furniture for over 20 years and never had one split.
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Thanks for the info Dan.
 
The Sandman said:
The coniferous woods will do that. Hardwood shouldn't.
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Yep

RedSectorA said:
I wouldn't worry about that, any woodworker with limited credential knows how to build furniture in such a way that wood shrinkage will not make it split. Secondly one of the purpose of wood finishes is to slow down changes in humidity levels in wood. Thirdly when they kiln dry wood they bring the moisture down to 6-7% within the wood fiber , one of the result is that wood will never be able to absorb humidity like it used to prior to drying.

I live Montreal where relative humidity levels in a house goes from 80-90% in summer to 30% in the dead of winter. Been building hardwood furniture for over 20 years and never had one split.
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Yep

RedSectorA said:
Wood for decks is normally not kiln dried, if you're lucky it was air dried for a while but that's it. It will twist and split as it dries due to stress points in the wood fibers.
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And yep
 
Real wood always changes with the humidity in it's environment but only very little if the wood has been dried right. Air dried will move -twist or crack if not dried the proper amount of time. All my wood is dehumidified to 7% and then water is reintroduced to take to back up to 23% and then redryed to 7%. That relieves it of all stores in the wood and it will not crack or warp. A lot of driers do not reintroduce water into the wood after it has dried to 7% because it takes 1 to 2 weeks to redry and time is money so they skip the most important part of drying the wood. I stand100% behind my racks and if anyone ever has problems I take care of them. I do not leave my customers out to dry PUN
 
jaxwired said:
Awhile back I had Chris build me some stands for my eucalyptus harbet shl5s. Turned out gorgeous. And they were cheap too!!!

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can you send me a pic of the set up of the stands with the speakers on them. Chris
 
MikeCh said:
I would love a solid wood rack like these mentioned here.

However, I believe they would not fare well in our climate. I've been monitoring the humidity in my primary systems' room and without lighting or amplifiers powered up the humidity is stable this winter so far at 25-26%. When the lighting and/or amps are on for more than two hours, the humidity drops to to 21% and remains until things are powered off.

In the summer we can have stints of 60-70% humidity for weeks at a time then drop to 30% or lower for weeks at a time.

Can anyone here prove my thought process wrong that these types of racks that are made entirely of solid wood (not laminated & not veneers over MDF) and secured with single-screw points or glued-only WOULD NOT have shrinkage or warp issues in this radical of a dry climate?
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Real wood always changes with the humidity in it's environment but only very little if the wood has been dried right. Air dried will move -twist or crack if not dried the proper amount of time. All my wood is dehumidified to 7% and then water is reintroduced to take to back up to 23% and then redryed to 7%. That relieves it of all stress in the wood and it will not crack or warp. A lot of driers do not reintroduce water into the wood after it has dried to 7% because it takes 1 to 2 weeks to redry and time is money so they skip the most important part of drying the wood. I stand100% behind my racks and if anyone ever has problems I take care of them. I do not leave my customers out to dry PUN
 
solidwood said:
Real wood always changes with the humidity in it's environment but only very little if the wood has been dried right. Air dried will move -twist or crack if not dried the proper amount of time. All my wood is dehumidified to 7% and then water is reintroduced to take to back up to 23% and then redryed to 7%. That relieves it of all stores in the wood and it will not crack or warp. A lot of driers do not reintroduce water into the wood after it has dried to 7% because it takes 1 to 2 weeks to redry and time is money so they skip the most important part of drying the wood. I stand100% behind my racks and if anyone ever has problems I take care of them. I do not leave my customers out to dry PUN
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Thanks for chiming in with your process Chris. Sounds like a winning combination! I'll be in contact.
 
Chris, this is Jim Perry in Phoenix, AZ. You can see the rack you sold me in November 2014 pictured in this and my earlier post. I just want to say, thanks for the great rack, prompt delivery, and accommodating my special requests. It is really beautiful.

Best Regards,

Jim Perry
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Can timber nation make a set of desktop speaker stands for my audience 1+1 out of rosewood? I bought 9x9x5 bamboo risers and am closing off the open side with some East Indian rosewood thin wood 9x9 pieces (glue down after filling cube with sand). Would rather have a pro build me a pair.
 
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Chris, this is Jim Perry in Phoenix, AZ. You can see the rack you sold me in November 2014 pictured in this and my earlier post. I just want to say, thanks for the great rack, prompt delivery, and accommodating my special requests. It is really beautiful.

Best Regards,

Jim Perry
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Thanks for the business
Chris
 
Here is a desk my grandson just made out of Tiger Maple and Black Walnut. The draws are all Tiger with the full Dovetails showing
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Dpod4 said:
Can timber nation make a set of desktop speaker stands for my audience 1+1 out of rosewood? I bought 9x9x5 bamboo risers and am closing off the open side with some East Indian rosewood thin wood 9x9 pieces (glue down after filling cube with sand). Would rather have a pro build me a pair.
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Give me a call 814 684 4112
 
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