The MSB Premier review I didn't write

[Kingsrule]

Because it is a figment of your imagination. That dead horse you keep beating. Yada Yada Yada.

U just can't admit it can u?

Guys are saying the Schitt sounds better and here u are....in lala (or is it Paragon) land?

 

[Kingsrule]

---Quote (Originally by still-one)---
Because it is a figment of your imagination. That dead horse you keep beating. Yada Yada Yada.
---End Quote---
Off course it could be those shitty Magico speakers you own.
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Well there it is

Any bit of micro credibility you had is gone.......

 

[Al M.]

---Quote (Originally by still-one)---
Because it is a figment of your imagination. That dead horse you keep beating. Yada Yada Yada.
---End Quote---
Off course it could be those shitty Magico speakers you own.
***************


Well there it is

Any bit of micro credibility you had is gone.......

Haha, shitty Magico speakers, yeah well, some are living in a delusion. But transparent as they are, they only portray what the source delivers, without added euphonics.

 

[kzhtoo]

Al, I changed from Yggy to MSB Discrete, but I’m afraid it isn’t as simple as replacing Yggy with MSB in my case. I do prefer my current setup by quite a lot.

I had Yggy fed by Aurender N100C through a spdif reclocker. Digital cables used are Siltech Golden Ridge II BNC to Yggy and AQ Diamond Ethernet to Aurender. AC cable is AQ Hurricane.

Then I switch to Discrete and Roon Nucleus (which runs Roon Core). AQ Diamond Ethernet now goes to MSB renderer module. I will tell you that it is not cigar right away. I felt, similar to what Ken mentioned above, I could now hear more “noise” in music (not buzzing or hissing sound) despite apparent improvement in immediacy, transparency, refinement and bass performance. So, I added a Teddy Pardo LPS to the router that feeds MSB. Things got cleaned up a bit and it becomes much more enjoyable. I also just ordered Gigafoil v4 hoping it’ll take it up a notch or two more. In the future, I may also try Aqvox SE Ethernet switch and Wavelength Ethernet reclocker when it becomes available.

I’m mentioning all these because if you are like me, not only changing the DAC, but also change the way the signal is fed, I’m afraid it isn’t as simple as replacing Yggy with MSB. I feel the best way to use MSB is via its Ethernet Renderer module and you must also be in it to improve your Ethernet situation as well (if it hasn’t been done so already).

 

[Al M.]

Al, I changed from Yggy to MSB Discrete, but I’m afraid it isn’t as simple as replacing Yggy with MSB in my case. I do prefer my current setup by quite a lot.

I had Yggy fed by Aurender N100C through a spdif reclocker. Digital cables used are Siltech Golden Ridge II BNC to Yggy and AQ Diamond Ethernet to Aurender. AC cable is AQ Hurricane.

Then I switch to Discrete and Roon Nucleus (which runs Roon Core). AQ Diamond Ethernet now goes to MSB renderer module. I will tell you that it is not cigar right away. I felt, similar to what Ken mentioned above, I could now hear more “noise” in music (not buzzing or hissing sound) despite apparent improvement in immediacy, transparency, refinement and bass performance. So, I added a Teddy Pardo LPS to the router that feeds MSB. Things got cleaned up a bit and it becomes much more enjoyable. I also just ordered Gigafoil v4 hoping it’ll take it up a notch or two more. In the future, I may also try Aqvox SE Ethernet switch and Wavelength Ethernet reclocker when it becomes available.

I’m mentioning all these because if you are like me, not only changing the DAC, but also change the way the signal is fed, I’m afraid it isn’t as simple as replacing Yggy with MSB. I feel the best way to use MSB is via its Ethernet Renderer module and you must also be in it to improve your Ethernet situation as well (if it hasn’t been done so already).

Thanks for the detailed info. That is why I am wary of server configurations. My experience suggests that going from transport avoids all those computer/server noise issues.

I am convinced that a server configuration can be made to work well, but it takes quite a bit of effort, as also your experience indicates.

 

[Mike]

Thanks for the detailed info. That is why I am wary of server configurations. My experience suggests that going from transport avoids all those computer/server noise issues.

I am convinced that a server configuration can be made to work well, but it takes quite a bit of effort, as also your experience indicates.

Very true.


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[Skanda]

guys, i finally ditched the 15ft long usb cable and set up a metrum ambre this morning. wireworld gold-platinum-meteroite-or-whatever aes digital cable. FINALLY running roon. i was happy enough ditching the cable for aesthetic reasons but the sound quality is a massive upgrade. the soundstage is just huge - it's on par with the soundstage i was getting out of my old raidho and dyn monitors.

this whole time i thought i was just hearing a more accurate portrayal of soundstage and figured that if it sounded narrow and was a more recent recording then it must have just been the usual terrible mastering. but i was wrong - so so wrong. this is a revelation. welcome to 2019 i guess. wild things going on. with the new dac coming this week, i'm looking forward to next saturday's session

 

[kzhtoo]

Thanks for the detailed info. That is why I am wary of server configurations. My experience suggests that going from transport avoids all those computer/server noise issues.

I am convinced that a server configuration can be made to work well, but it takes quite a bit of effort, as also your experience indicates.

I do think the result is well worth the effort. IMO, this is the next step in digital reproduction to get out of the box swapping merry-go-‘round and also the future of digital audio, esp. with network streaming.

 

[Alpinist]

Al, I changed from Yggy to MSB Discrete, but I’m afraid it isn’t as simple as replacing Yggy with MSB in my case. I do prefer my current setup by quite a lot.

I had Yggy fed by Aurender N100C through a spdif reclocker. Digital cables used are Siltech Golden Ridge II BNC to Yggy and AQ Diamond Ethernet to Aurender. AC cable is AQ Hurricane.

Then I switch to Discrete and Roon Nucleus (which runs Roon Core). AQ Diamond Ethernet now goes to MSB renderer module. I will tell you that it is not cigar right away. I felt, similar to what Ken mentioned above, I could now hear more “noise” in music (not buzzing or hissing sound) despite apparent improvement in immediacy, transparency, refinement and bass performance. So, I added a Teddy Pardo LPS to the router that feeds MSB. Things got cleaned up a bit and it becomes much more enjoyable. I also just ordered Gigafoil v4 hoping it’ll take it up a notch or two more. In the future, I may also try Aqvox SE Ethernet switch and Wavelength Ethernet reclocker when it becomes available.

I’m mentioning all these because if you are like me, not only changing the DAC, but also change the way the signal is fed, I’m afraid it isn’t as simple as replacing Yggy with MSB. I feel the best way to use MSB is via its Ethernet Renderer module and you must also be in it to improve your Ethernet situation as well (if it hasn’t been done so already).

I think you will be extremely happy with what adding the GigaFoilv4 does for the sound quality of your system. For me, it was the equivalent of when I added a power conditioner to my system. Since virtually all the noise is contained at the GigaFoilv4, the quality of its power supply and the Ethernet cable following it are of the utmost importance.

Best,
Ken

 

[Alpinist]

I am convinced that a server configuration can be made to work well, but it takes quite a bit of effort, as also your experience indicates.

Hi Al,

This is true, but once you get it figured out, it is entirely worth it.

Ken

 

[Al M.]

I do think the result is well worth the effort. IMO, this is the next step in digital reproduction to get out of the box swapping merry-go-‘round and also the future of digital audio, esp. with network streaming.

The only streaming that I do is YouTube over my $ 30 headphones. For hifi listening I buy CDs, and I have too many anyways. I listen to pieces over and over again in order to internalize them in detail (classical, jazz, avant-garde, Zappa...). If I wanted to have an ever changing diet I'd certainly want to go into streaming. It all depends on listening habits. I have mine, others have theirs.

 

[kzhtoo]

The only streaming that I do is YouTube over my $ 30 headphones. For hifi listening I buy CDs, and I have too many anyways. I listen to pieces over and over again in order to internalize them in detail (classical, jazz, avant-garde, Zappa...). If I wanted to have an ever changing diet I'd certainly want to go into streaming. It all depends on listening habits. I have mine, others have theirs.

Understand. Everyone needs to make their own choices.

I may have slightly different definition than others when I say network streaming, which, for me, includes storing music on a NAS and streaming via Ethernet to Renderer module like MSB one.

 

[still-one]

---Quote (Originally by still-one)---
Because it is a figment of your imagination. That dead horse you keep beating. Yada Yada Yada.
---End Quote---
Off course it could be those shitty Magico speakers you own.
***************


Well there it is

Any bit of micro credibility you had is gone.......

Yeah, the reason I quickly delegated it was because I knew you wouldn't get the irony.

 

[kzhtoo]

I think you will be extremely happy with what adding the GigaFoilv4 does for the sound quality of your system. For me, it was the equivalent of when I added a power conditioner to my system. Since virtually all the noise is contained at the GigaFoilv4, the quality of its power supply and the Ethernet cable following it are of the utmost importance.

Best,
Ken

Thanks Ken. I’m looking forward to it. Already thinking about LPS. Can you confirm Gigafoil v4 DC input is 5V?

 

[Alpinist]

Thanks Ken. I’m looking forward to it. Already thinking about LPS. Can you confirm Gigafoil v4 DC input is 5V?

It says on the GigaFoilv4 Ethernet Filter for Power: 5 Volts DC Maximum / 1 Amp Minimum.

Ken

 

[Al M.]

I was just looking at the MSB DACs a bit more. They have only balanced outputs?

 

[Billt1]

look at MSB site and under DACs it has a pricing tab. You choose rca or xlr

 

[Al M.]

look at MSB site and under DACs it has a pricing tab. You choose rca or xlr

Great, thanks. I would be screwed if it were only XLR because I have a Pass B1 buffered preamp (no gain) that has only single ended inputs.

 

[kzhtoo]

Great, thanks. I would be screwed if it were only XLR because I have a Pass B1 buffered preamp (no gain) that has only single ended inputs.

All MSB DACs have volume control/ preamp built in. Preamp in Reference and Select II is known to be reference level good (also have analog inputs if you need more than one inputs).

 

[Al M.]

All MSB DACs have volume control/ preamp built in. Preamp in Reference and Select II is known to be reference level good (also have analog inputs if you need more than one inputs).

Thanks. I am bit wary of digital volume controls, which are probably found in Discrete and Premier. But when I audition I may try both ways.