Feanor
Member
That is hardly a refutation of my points.
Come to that, I do watch quite a bit of TV news. My favorites more or less in terms of viewing time are:
- CBC (Canadian)
- BBC
- CNN
- Al Jazeera
- CTV (Canadian)
- MSNBC
- NPR
Tariff implications.........
- Thread starter Mikado463
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That is hardly a refutation of my points.
Come to that, I do watch quite a bit of TV news. My favorites more or less in terms of viewing time are:
Shadowfax
Well-known member
So what Due Process was given to the J6 Hostages?
What Due Process should Illegals that are not citizens who crossed the border illegally get?
How is he Denigrating Science? Are we talking Fauci Science or real peer reviewed study science?
Ignoring court orders like Biden did with student loans where he was trying to buy votes?
Established News orgs does not mean they are not Fake News outlets and yes, they should all be put out of business for constantly telling stories and not investigated news with actual sources.
Not going to bother with the rest as they all sound like the mockingbird 4am talking points that every fake news outlet mimics daily.
So lets see, MSNBC, NPR, CNN were all given taxpayer money thru NGOs to promote negative Trump lies and stories. Yeah, you are getting solid information.
Feanor
Member
Think it is sufficient to say that all there point can be thoroughly refuted ... but the real issue is that even educated, intelligent people can be hoodwinked by populist propaganda. And the reason for that is people believe what they want to believe, viz. partisan, class, and tribal propaganda that confirms their prejudices.
(To choose just one point, Fauci was an expert health scientist who offered the best advice he could with limited info at the time. In contrast, the appointment of RFK Jr., an anti-vacs conspiracy theorist lawyer is a denigration of science.)
Shadowfax
Well-known member
Limited Info? He helped develop the gain of function used in the covid plandemic. He helped release it on the world but he only had limited information.
I know it is hard for a lot of people to believe or even understand how others can believe xyz, but it goes both ways. You make your decisions with the news you get, and others make their decisions on the info they get. Many people refuse to believe or admit that the majority of what was labeled Conspiracy Theory 5 years ago has been proven to be true now.
And you are in Canada, you have worse problems than we do.
atmasphere
Active member
This statement is false. I stated them exactly as I meant them. I cannot be responsible if you fail to understand them. You'll note, for example, that you are trying to say that I said the ocean was rising. I instead was stating that my mom observed it was either than or the land she was on as sinking. Big difference! You made up a story about what I said, plain and simple. Then you acted as if the story was real, which led you to be (apparently) mad at me.
If I have this correctly, Canada didn't get rid of their version of the Fairness Doctrine. We did- back in the Reagan administration, which resulted in things like Fox News. They or MSNBC; take your Pick:, neither present both sides of the story.
If you get a chance to visit Canada and look at the news, you'll see its considerably more nuanced and balanced than that we see in the US!
the professor
Well-known member
Interesting
What metrics are you referring to? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just trying to understand.
Here is what I found ( charts of year over year rates)
Current US Inflation Rates: 2000-2025
The annual inflation rate for the United States was 2.3% for the 12 months ending April, compared to the previous rate increase of 2.4%, according to U.S. Labor Department data published on May 13, 2025. The next inflation update is scheduled for release on June 11 at 8:30 a.m. ET, providing...
www.usinflationcalculator.com
U.S. GDP 1960-2025 | MacroTrends
GDP at purchaser's prices is the sum of gross value added by all resident producers in the economy plus any product taxes and minus any subsidies not included in the value of the products. It is calculated without making deductions for depreciation of fabricated assets or for depletion and...
www.macrotrends.net
Randy Myers
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I believe you are referring to the January 6th criminals. Every single one of them had their day in court and were either found guilty or pleaded guilty. This was by a jury of their piers, if they choose to go to trial.
Trump was in fact found guilty on 34 counts of felonies by both a grand jury and a criminal trial jury. That is 12 Americans doing their duty and sitting through a trial and coming to a verdict. It was also a unanimous verdict. That means there were 408 guilty votes stemming from this trial. Each had to stand up and have their votes counted in the court.
This is not even addressing the trials that should have but never occurred. The taking of classified documents was more illegal than anything else he did. Some of these documents were national defense security documents that are not even allowed out of the secure viewing room. When I received my secret security clearance it was made abundantly clear that removing any of these documents would result in immediate imprisonment... period, full stop.
And then the criminal in chief pardoned each and every one of these J6 criminals. Many were guilty of beating police officers. 140 officers were injured that day, several of which had their careers ended by injuries they received that day. A few of which died because of what transpired on this day. Yes one of the criminals attacking our capital died when she attempted to jump over the barricade that had been setup to protect our congress men and congress woman.
Do not ever call these criminals hostages again. That is by far the single stupidest statement I have read in this entire thread. And it fucking pisses me off as someone who supports police officers, the rule of law, and due process.
Shadowfax
Well-known member
You obviously have not seen all the films of J6 yet. They are becoming more and more accessible to the sleeping public. Good luck handling it when you see them. And you are still just parroting all the fake news talking points. It pisses me off how asleep sop many people still are because of what news they listen to so owe are even.
Shadowfax
Well-known member
Now back on track, the Tariff Wars have skyrocketed my Retirement Savings to another all time high well above where it was a few weeks ago when many people panicked.
Porsche
Active member
January 6 was a joke, the left turns a blind eyes on all the riots in Oregon and other cities burning down the cities, get arrested an Kamala literally bails them out of jail in Minnesota, etc give me a break. hypocrisy at its finest
Randy Myers
Well-known member
Wow, you really need to watch something other than Fox Entertainment News. I have in fact seen a lot of recordings of what transpired. How you can justify these folks beating on police officers and defacing our capital? It is beyond believe. They literally built a nose to hang our VP. I am 100% positive that they would have if they got their hands on Mike Pence. What exactly did he do wrong? He followed our constitution. The criminal tried to have him murdered.
Shadowfax
Well-known member
I don't watch fox, or any other msm and don't even watch TV. There are plenty of real news outlets available now. I saw the films 3 years ago but more are coming out now. When they come up again, I will try to send them to you as this is not the place for what you will see.
Randy Myers
Well-known member
Did any of these people attack police officers? Any that did were in fact arrested. But almost none did. With few exceptions, most of these "riots" were actually peaceful. Yes there were some who did more and they should have been arrested, just like a vast majority of those that attacked our capital building. Only a small portion actually were arrested, and all of them were given their day in court.
Wow, some of you people really are drinking your daily dose of Trump Kool-aide. He is and always has been a pathological liar. He literally can not even distinguish the difference between his truth and lies at this point since he lies in virtually ever paragraph he writes or every statement he makes.
Try to imagine, if you can, that those attacking our capital were people of color. Can you even envision the massacre that would have happened?
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Shadowfax
Well-known member
Here is a link to all the mostly peaceful protests. You sound like Jerry Nadler when he said the riots were3 a myth.
Shadowfax
Well-known member
I sent you a link to many videos of police beating people including beating one woman to death. The Fake News has never once shown these videos. Enjoy some Truth.
Shadowfax
Well-known member
Nothing to see here, just ignore.....
Multiple companies are still putting big money into the U.S. economy.
In November 2024, the Small Business Administration announced an all-time high of more than 20 million business applications filed under Biden's watch.
Investors were also enticed by subsidies resulting from Biden-era legislation like the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, Chips and Science Act (CSA) and Inflation Reduction Act (IRA).
Multiple companies are still putting big money into the U.S. economy.
- Johnson & Johnson: On Friday, Johnson & Johnson announced manufacturing, research and development, and technology investments of more than $55 billion in the U.S. over the next four years. They say it represents a 25 percent increase in investment compared to the previous four years under President Joe Biden, crediting an increase in investment levels to the 2017 Tax Cuts & Jobs Act. Also on Friday, the company broke ground on a 500,000-square-foot biologics manufacturing facility in Wilson, North Carolina.
- SoftBank: On Monday, SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son visited Trump at Mar-a-Lago and announced a $100 billion investment over the next four years with a promise to create 100,000 jobs focused on artificial intelligence and related infrastructure, according to CNBC.
- United Arab Emirates: After a meeting with Trump, the United Arab Emirates committed to a 10-year, $1.4 trillion agreement with the U.S. that will sustain existing investments in AI infrastructure, semiconductors, energy, and American manufacturing, according to Reuters.
- Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company: Semiconductor giant TSMC announced earlier this month in response to Trump's tariffs threat on foreign chips that it would invest another $100 billion into its U.S. operations. The anticipated new chip fabrication plants, two advanced packaging facilities, and a new research and design center will increase the company's total investment in Phoenix to $165 billion—the largest foreign direct investment in U.S. history.
- In January, Trump announced a $500 billion private investment in AI infrastructure led by OpenAI, Oracle and SoftBank.
- Apple: Tech giant Apple announced a $500 billion investment.
- Nvidia: On Thursday, the White House announced that chipmaker Nvidia would invest hundreds of billions of dollars over the next four years in U.S.-based manufacturing operations.
In November 2024, the Small Business Administration announced an all-time high of more than 20 million business applications filed under Biden's watch.
Investors were also enticed by subsidies resulting from Biden-era legislation like the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, Chips and Science Act (CSA) and Inflation Reduction Act (IRA).
Shadowfax
Well-known member
Here is a more comprehensive list that was too many characters to post
TRUMP EFFECT: A Running List of New U.S. Investment in President Trump’s Second Term
Since President Donald J. Trump took office, his unwavering commitment to revitalizing American industry has spurred trillions of dollars of investments
www.whitehouse.gov
Randy Myers
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I love how you guys just parrot back Trump's catch phrases. Like little cult member lemmings.
You can always find a video to prove a point when standing only on its own. That does not tell the whole story. Why were these people there in the first place? They were there because he told them to do this, and he sat there and watched it, for hours. I was always taught to obey what a police officer tells me to do. Period... if these were black folks doing the exact same thing he would have called in the National Guard and there would have been a blood bath. This was all on false pretenses. There was no election fraud... this has been proven over and over again. He is the only president in history to not have a peaceful transfer of power.
So you guys hang on his every word... when he is a pathological liar. Always has been. He is a master conman. Always has been. He is also a dead beat to the maximum degree. Why do you think that no banks would deal with him accept Deutsche Bank, which is controlled by Russian Oligarchs. Why do you think that the lawyers defending him required their fees upfront?
He has raved about Mar-a-Lago and how amazing it was designed and built. Do you know he refused to pay the architect? He had to sue Trump, and Trump even stated that he did a bad job in court. This is just one of the 5500+ law suits he has been in. He throws everyone under the bus. How many lawyers have lost their license? How about those who were loyal in his first administration but stopped at insurrection? Mike Pence, Bill Barr. How about Rudy, how about even Elon? He has basically been kicked to the curb having his business gravely hurt after he single handedly bought the election for Trump.
He makes deals and then does not honor them. He considers breaking your word as part of his "art of the deal".
How would you feel if your children, your grand children talked the way Trump does, said insults the way he does? My parents would have washed my mouth out with soap if I said 1/10th of the nasty stuff he does. This is not a president, it is a very small mentally deranged individual.
Being a Trump cultist does not give anything in return other than his ok to be rude, insulting, dead beat, womanizer, liar, on and on. So here is your daily Kool-aide... enjoy like those at Jonestown did.
the professor
Well-known member
Unfortunately yes - they did attack officers and were not arrested or charged or anything. I’m sure this didn’t hit the news anywhere other than local here in Portland. It was so atrocious that the entire swatt team resigned one day.
Totally ruined downtown Portland and now only in the last year 4-5 years later finally some sense of safety is being restored to downtown Portland.
Really sad to see.
Shadowfax
Well-known member
So we are now back to Name Calling which is just the typical Have Nothing response. Did you even watch the first video where the cops waved the people into the tunnel for a coordinated attack? Did you watch any of them?
Yep, we are all watching the Con Man broker Peace around the world and grow the US workforce and economy. So appalling. And like I said earlier, since you seem to hate him so badly and everything he does is no good, please send me all the gains you just made in your retirement account because you don't really like making that much money. When you start paying less for your Meds, send me the difference because you are upset he did that for you. When they stop taxing your Social Security, please send me the difference so you feel better about being taxed too much.
TDS in full view