Super Speaker Shootout - which design wins?

bonzo said:
Were your trios with bass horns?
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And XD? I've heard Trio's with 225 subs circa 2001. The XD Trios are supposedly on another level from the originals or even the Omega series. We shall see. My client in Tampa just ordered Trio XD's after hearing my Duo Mezzo XD's. Can't wait to hear them in his amazing room.


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bonzo said:
2 are sufficient. I ABed. I still have to write up my trio report, which exists on many different posts
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Having installed/voiced successfully (with published acclaim) more TRIO systems than probably anyone else, I would have to disagree.

First, the Basshorns absolutely should NEVER be next to each other in the middle of the front wall. Second, the Basshorns usually cannot work at their very best when placed in corners, either.

The comparisons I have done (with no-compromise-placement) unquestionably showed an improved agile-tuneful bass quality (much less mechanical sounding, as well as less compressed), & another level of musical engagement.

I always attributed the improvement to the massively increased dynamic capability, and - since each Basshorn driver of the three-per-channel only had to move a fraction of the distance - as compared to only one driver, the improvement in dynamic freedom was obvious. Not to mention the effects of mass-loading the bottom two horns...

FWIW - mass loading is something rarely mentioned that yields easily heard - and appreciated - results with most speakers (maybe not the heavier Rockports & Magicos, etc.). Used to do it with the TRIOs (& even DUOs) when the client was after the best listening experience and consequently didn't object to the appearance...
 
If you could hear what Jim Smith did with my Duo Mezzo XD's, you would understand why I'm so "horny". :)

The XD technology allowed Jim to add another level of voicing. Every day I'm absolutely amazed with what he did.
 
how about Trios with those new short vertical bass horns?

the knock on horns is tonality and coherence. even different horn designers use diff materials (plastic like AG vs. wood like Cessaro)

the knock on line arrays is integration and different materials - as Annapolis showed in a weird way, they are very common in pro audio for large crowds, not so much in audiophile land. Is Scaena even in business anymore? Basically its Genesis and Nola which isn't much. I think that is because they are very complicated to integrate with external crossover, woofers, DSP, etc. Who wants to muck with all that stuff? I haven't heard a compelling set, but then again I never went to Sea Cliff :)
 
Mike said:
If you could hear what Jim Smith did with my Duo Mezzo XD's, you would understand why I'm so "horny". :)

The XD technology allowed Jim to add another level of voicing. Every day I'm absolutely amazed with what he did.
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Are the horns going to the store ...???
 
a.wayne said:
Are the horns going to the store ...???
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Never. Ok, probably never. My dedicated room in my house is the AG showroom. I have everything dialed in (thanks to Jim). Don't want to move it.

I have the Zero XD TA's in the store.


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I want to show my speaker that nobody know,only Ked listen,
Its an italian small company Montagna,its a 3 way with Magnet in Maxalco that is Alnico V with oriented crystal,network with very small capacitors for more fast sound and cabinet in regal and carbon fiber with 98 db efficiency.
I love this speaker
 
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Gian's speakers are extremely fast, clean, linear. hard hitting. Like real life. And his CH precision, which he migrated to after a life of triodes, is fantastic.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
Tragic really. :)
Wide vs narrow dispersion characteristics relate to spatial rendition and preferences (and rooms!) rule here...as elsewhere.

cheers,

AJ
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I do agree that personal preference toward speaker format is highly subjective, and the room will largely dictate what type of speaker will couple well with it.
 
a.wayne said:
..once you make the move from Hi-Fi sound to live sound, IMO, it's Big horns or panel line-source or it will all sound dead to you.
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Personally i've found Magico's latest generation of dynamic speakers have a mix of qualities which to my ears atleast, get closer to the seamless qaulity of pure ribbons, sound musical, and deliver accurate imaging and sound staging. I've listened to some uber hybrid horn systems which deliver a bigger sound stage, but with less accuracy and a less seamless/coherent whole. I don't doubt once you get up to Avantegarde Trio's with basshorns or Genesis 1.2's that things get a lot better. I'd hope so for the price! But i'd still be willing to bet the future M series replacement for the Q7 Mk2 will hold its own against any loudspeaker system in the world, just as my current S5 Mk2's do in their price bracket.
 
Magico's top speaker is a horn let's not forget. But one that requires an enormous room.

From people I've talked to who have heard the Magico Ultimate, say it's unlike any other listening experience they ever have had.

That being said, for "normal" situations, the S or M series or other world class cone and dome speakers make way more sense both fiscally, aesthetically and from a room integration standpoint and they can sound phenomenal.

The point I was trying to make was that at a certain financial point, my feeling is cone and domes max out their potential and other designs (horn, line source, omnipolar, etc) take over. That being said, I have not heard the WAMM or any other cone and dome speaker over $600,000. So, who knows?

But for now, if I had $600,000+ to spend on speakers and the room to accomodate, I'm not buying a cone and dome. Others may feel differently. As they say, YMMV.


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