Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home

Home ownership is so much fun!

When we bought our place we had identified some water seepage behind the fascia boards on our deck, even had a small holdback on purchase price for future repair. Last week we had the deck railing removed for repair, sandblasting, and powder-coating. It was severely rusted 'cause it wasn't made ready for the Great Pacific Northwet when originally made. That allowed the next contractor to remove the fascia boards to survey the extent of damage. Here's what we found. Great example of how to build a deck wrong...

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Worse, we have to demo the rock columns to get access to where the beams attach. F me! I guess my music room modifications will have to wait a while.

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I just read through this entire thread and was very happy to see things come together for you, Bob...until ^^^ last ^^^ post. Sorry for your troubles! As a native of this area and having owned several homes here, I can attest to what this wet environment can do to structure.

Best of luck to you!

-Michael
 
Bobvin said:
Home ownership is so much fun!

When we bought our place we had identified some water seepage behind the fascia boards on our deck, even had a small holdback on purchase price for future repair. Last week we had the deck railing removed for repair, sandblasting, and powder-coating. It was severely rusted 'cause it wasn't made ready for the Great Pacific Northwet when originally made. That allowed the next contractor to remove the fascia boards to survey the extent of damage. Here's what we found. Great example of how to build a deck wrong...

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Worse, we have to demo the rock columns to get access to where the beams attach. F me! I guess my music room modifications will have to wait a while.

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Holy sh!T Bob, isn't that a fairly new house? Alot of work to be done there, man! Good luck with the repairs but I think it's going to be brutally expensive.
 
RedSectorA said:
Holy sh!T Bob, isn't that a fairly new house? Alot of work to be done there, man! Good luck with the repairs but I think it's going to be brutally expensive.
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Yep, house is only 7 years old. Deck builder not the same as the home builder, so hopefully the main structure isn't enjoying the same fate. Up against the house all looks well. Damage appears to be isolated to the outer exposed portion of the deck. They completely wrapped the beams with a plastic flashing product, super stong glue. But they did some f'd up things too and didn't allow for moisture to escape, so once behind the pseudo flashing, water just hung around. Add some warm summer weather, some subterrainian termites ( they really like that dark wet environment) and Pacific Northwet winter rain, well, you can see the results. Add the cost of repair and powder coat for the railing, looks to be around $70K. That's more than I expected to pay to remodel the music room.

Ah well, first world problems. Many sharks are dealing with issues far more important than I.

Great thing though... Finally got the LPS tracking dialed in, and having played only a few albums so far, I can say the total system, with only 21 hours, sounds ohhhh so good. The REF10 paired with the REF75 and Alexias, now with the AMG/Benz feeding the Einstein Turntable's Choice, I'm just fucking thrilled! The sometimes strident sound I heard with the Sashas (v1) seems to have been a function of, IMHO, the titanium tweeter. I feel the leading edge of transients no longer has the slight sharpness I had heard before. A long way to go, but the musical joy is taking the edge off the home repairs. Sometimes you just gotta roll with what needs to be done, and thank God for the blessings you have.
 
Bob

I guess I just don't understand how you got to this point with the house if it was financed at all. In Florida, also a moisture State, you would have had to have a bank approved WDO inspection before they signed off on the mortgage. Any wood damage, rot or structural damage would have to be repaired by the seller before the buyers mortgage would be approved. Is it different there or did you pay in total and bypass all of those safeguards? Just wondering?
 
Jack said:
Bob

I guess I just don't understand how you got to this point with the house if it was financed at all. In Florida, also a moisture State, you would have had to have a bank approved WDO inspection before they signed off on the mortgage. Any wood damage, rot or structural damage would have to be repaired by the seller before the buyers mortgage would be approved. Is it different there or did you pay in total and bypass all of those safeguards? Just wondering?
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Inspections here limited to main structure, So the deck not technically included. We did get a small discount towards future repairs when we purchased, and with only 7 yo house never imagined things could be as bad as shown.
 
Bobvin said:
Heh, heh! I was sure to have performed the wine test before buying the carpet. I poured a nice Brunello on a sample of the carpet; even rubbed it in good 'cause the lanolin in the wool just had it beaded up and sitting there. Then with some pure water 95% of the stain came right up. After a little enzyme cleaner there was no trace of Brunello... passed the WAF.

On the topic of wine, I joined a "rare washington wines" club recently. First time they opened the roster in 10 years. Now starting to get deliveries of various Washington wines I'd not have much access to as the limited production usually has these sold out before I learn about them.

Its going to be a good autumn and winter. System finally coming together, and lots of wine to drink. Now I need to be sure there's an equal amount of new vinyl :yahoo1:
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Bob with the wine i hope you did the ass grinding test too....... :fingers:

CPP said:
Bob a really nice room, now how can I fix this room
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Bit of mdf on the top of the structural top to bottom axis will work good there, probably coated matt black for sonics...

Bobvin said:
Yep, house is only 7 years old. Deck builder not the same as the home builder, so hopefully the main structure isn't enjoying the same fate. Up against the house all looks well. Damage appears to be isolated to the outer exposed portion of the deck. They completely wrapped the beams with a plastic flashing product, super stong glue. But they did some f'd up things too and didn't allow for moisture to escape, so once behind the pseudo flashing, water just hung around. Add some warm summer weather, some subterrainian termites ( they really like that dark wet environment) and Pacific Northwet winter rain, well, you can see the results. Add the cost of repair and powder coat for the railing, looks to be around $70K. That's more than I expected to pay to remodel the music room.

Ah well, first world problems. Many sharks are dealing with issues far more important than I.

Great thing though... Finally got the LPS tracking dialed in, and having played only a few albums so far, I can say the total system, with only 21 hours, sounds ohhhh so good. The REF10 paired with the REF75 and Alexias, now with the AMG/Benz feeding the Einstein Turntable's Choice, I'm just fucking thrilled! The sometimes strident sound I heard with the Sashas (v1) seems to have been a function of, IMHO, the titanium tweeter. I feel the leading edge of transients no longer has the slight sharpness I had heard before. A long way to go, but the musical joy is taking the edge off the home repairs. Sometimes you just gotta roll with what needs to be done, and thank God for the blessings you have.
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Sorry to see this, have had the same in buying a new place & it really blows chunks!!!!. All is good, let the V12 sing! Bound to fix most allergies. Congrats on a great looking room Bob, this really gave me a warm fuzzy to come back to this thread & see what you've been up to. Beautiful room,great components, gorgeous table, bliss....... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
sharkmouth said:
Bob with the wine i hope you did the ass grinding test too....... :fingers:



Bit of mdf on the top of the structural top to bottom axis will work good there, probably coated matt black for sonics...



Sorry to see this, have had the same in buying a new place & it really blows chunks!!!!. All is good, let the V12 sing! Bound to fix most allergies. Congrats on a great looking room Bob, this really gave me a warm fuzzy to come back to this thread & see what you've been up to. Beautiful room,great components, gorgeous table, bliss....... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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What really blows, when we moved, I lost my office, my man cave and a decent HT room or family room...

I was thinking of speakers in the areas next to the fireplace in the "enclosed" boxed area, it's about a 4 ft wide area and 7 ft high and 30" deep.

And then we come to the office area. 11x11x11 with a 5 ft wide open door area into a 24x12x10 den area (which I can't touch). So it looks like a little man cave for my office and small 2 chl area. ( headphones or open back speakers like Emerald Physics ). Sometimes moving sucks, but But happy wife, happy life....
 
I know the feeling in my own stomache just looking at those pictures. I can't imagine the feeling in yours. Yeah, it looks expensive to fix, but I never would have guessed $70K. That's an ulcer, or a lawsuit.
 
Bobvin said:
Home ownership is so much fun!

When we bought our place we had identified some water seepage behind the fascia boards on our deck, even had a small holdback on purchase price for future repair. Last week we had the deck railing removed for repair, sandblasting, and powder-coating. It was severely rusted 'cause it wasn't made ready for the Great Pacific Northwet when originally made. That allowed the next contractor to remove the fascia boards to survey the extent of damage. Here's what we found. Great example of how to build a deck wrong...

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Worse, we have to demo the rock columns to get access to where the beams attach. F me! I guess my music room modifications will have to wait a while.

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Surprised the home inspection didn't catch it. Our inspector found using IR thermal imaging camera wet areas around our fascia, which are just now being replaced. We had the owner drop the price of the home and we handled the repairs.
 
Gulp! That's one bit of rot! Very sorry for you, especially after all the waiting. Hope you get this sorted soon.
Chris
 
Sounds like live music?

Yesterday in my home was crazy. Decorating outfit we'd hired to dress up our new home delivered new rugs and some furniture. They also have a unique approach... bring two large vans full of "stuff" including mirrors and a crap-load of knicks and knacks, and basically try to decorate your home in one fell-swoop. Three young men to hang pictures, move furniture, place rugs and cut rug pads, and three design types to create settings then ask what we like and don't like. If you don't like something, it goes back in the van to the store. Keep what you like. As both my wife and I have a taste for fine furnishings, but no ability to decorate, it was a great result. But insane--people moving all throughout the house moving shit around repeatedly, total chaos, and for 5 hours! There is a little ways to go but we're 95% 'decorated' upstairs.

As for myself, it created a lot of anxiety, along with stone masons rebuilding the rock columns outside, and the carpenters working on the deck, other guys pouring some concrete, ugh!

So I head downstairs to listen to some music. Of course, the floorplan is open so its distributed audio to the upper floor. One of the designers happens to also be a musician who plays keyboards. She comes downstairs and admits being shocked she didn't find me playing the piano. I had some George Winston on the turntable. She was convinced she was hearing a real piano being played.

After the dust settled a bit, I invited her downstairs for 'just one song' and played the first cut, side A, of the Bluenote classic "Something Else". She sat in the prime position and I watched her eyes close and her toes begin tapping. When the song was over she stated "I've never heard anything like that, it seemed the musicians were right there in the room playing."

That, to me, is one thing I love about having great kit... sharing, even if only briefly, what recorded music can sound like in your own home!
 
Oh yes, indeed, along with the little Alfa Romeo Spyder I drove for many years after I left the university. And if I could have my 57 year old brain in my mid-twenties body! Then I'd have been happy to find some magnetic chics;).
 
Bob,

The joys of construction in the Pacific Northwest. I've been involved in Custom home building over the years in L.A. ,
Michigan, Manitoba, and now Vancouver. this is the worst climate for wood framed const. Ventilation is the key. Do they do
rainscreen details in Oregon?
 
Not sure what you mean "rainscreen?"

But in regards the deck repair, we now have a 'system' for ensuring water that might ever get to the beams is channeled away and won't have anopportunity to stick around. Involves a lot of custom flashing, drainable wrap, firring strips, and WR Grace plastic flashing behind every joist hanger. Its a lot of overkill, given pressure treated gluelams which I think were not used originally. I think they used untreated gluelams and tried wrapping them in WRGrace plastic flashing, leaving no escape route for water.
 
What you are describing is "rain screen". Basically a gap between the exterior finish and the face of the exterior wall system that allows moisture and water to escape. Required by the building code in almost all cities and towns here in Vancouver area. Overkill for sure and adds thousands in cost to new homes here. You have to have a building envelope engineer sign off on it all.
Sounds like you won't have any trouble this time around. Leaky Condo repairs is huge business around here.
On another topic, the crows ripped up my boulevard turf to feast on Chafer grubs. Sure make a mess, I'll deal with it in the spring
 
Bobvin said:
Oh yes, indeed, along with the little Alfa Romeo Spyder I drove for many years after I left the university. And if I could have my 57 year old brain in my mid-twenties body! Then I'd have been happy to find some magnetic chics;).
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I often tell people that if I could go back to my 20's, with my 55 year old brain intact, I would be the biggest whore you have ever seen. Most people usually agree with me that that would be their priority too! :celebrate008_2:
 
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