Room friendly speakers

Mike

Mike

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It's no secret that my main listening room has caused me some serious headaches over the years. I tackled the room this year by measuring, working with the experts and executing. I spent a small fortune. Things are better, but still quite bad. It seems that no matter what speakers I try in there, I run into some major bass issues - with the exception of the Salon 2's perhaps because of their downward firing port.

I've managed to find a spot in the room (4 feet from back wall and 2 feet from side wall) which is better....but still bad.

I tried DSP, but as we all know, it gives and it takes away.

I'm wondering if there are truly any "room friendly" speakers, specifically as far as bass is concerned. I've read good things about dipoles and some others. I would love to hear some thoughts.


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Mike, I know you aren't searching for stand mounted monitors, but I am curious about how the D1s worked in your room and how they performed bass wise. Have you tried any other high end monitors in there?
 
CPP said:
Mike you ever think about a NEW room.
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That is an option and we have consulted with an engineering company. The cost would be $150,000, 6 months of work and a complete reassessment of property taxes. We have homestead in Florida and for me, it would be like paying what my property taxes would be in 30 years from now. You see, I was paying about $8k/year - then the market crashed and now I'm down to $3k. In Florida, if you are homesteaded, there is a max the county can raise your property taxes each year (a very small percentage). For me to get back to $8k, I'm estimating about 20-30 years. However, if you do any home improvements by adding a room for example, all bets are off and you get reassessed from scratch.


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MikeCh said:
I agree with Nelson, something in the Canton Reference line could well do the trick.

In my experience, Canton's of various sizes seem to blend in many types of rooms.

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Reference 2.2 DC or 1.2 DC
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I haven't heard the latest ones, but my friend Charlie had Canton's (before buying Strads a few months ago) and his Canton's made my ears bleed. Never heard a brighter sounding speaker in my life.


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BruceLet said:
Mike, I know you aren't searching for stand mounted monitors, but I am curious about how the D1s worked in your room and how they performed bass wise. Have you tried any other high end monitors in there?
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This was Jeff's suggestion. He suggested some sweet little monitors like PMC's.


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Interesting, to my ears the Strads are very similar sounding to both Canton models I have here. What model were his do you recall?

Regarding the room size and certainly less expensive than building an addition to the house, can you experiment with the length of the room by adding a wall or divider to shorten it a few feet from the 25' length? Might take some experimenting with temporary walls/baffles to get it just right, but could be worth trying.

edit: have you experimented with the ceiling in shape or slope?
 
My opinion? If you can get the S3 and make them work, do it and be done with it. I am not a fan of adding subs to a stereo setup. Having heard the S1 and S5, I am confident the S3 will be amazing.

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Magico S1s with subs or the S3s?
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MikeCh said:
Interesting, to my ears the Strads are very similar sounding to both Canton models I have here. What model were his do you recall?

Regarding the room size and certainly less expensive than building an addition to the house, can you experiment with the length of the room by adding a wall or divider to shorten it a few feet from the 25' length? Might take some experimenting with temporary walls/baffles to get it just right, but could be worth trying.

edit: have you experimented with the ceiling in shape or slope?
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Mike - no options for adjusting the roof line - that corresponds with the roof of the house. I could raise the roof (no pun intended)....but again - that's major expense.

Tried the long wall this morning...

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Sounds better.


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Mike said:
That is an option and we have consulted with an engineering company. The cost would be $150,000, 6 months of work and a complete reassessment of property taxes. We have homestead in Florida and for me, it would be like paying what my property taxes would be in 30 years from now. You see, I was paying about $8k/year - then the market crashed and now I'm down to $3k. In Florida, if you are homesteaded, there is a max the county can raise your property taxes each year (a very small percentage). For me to get back to $8k, I'm estimating about 20-30 years. However, if you do any home improvements by adding a room for example, all bets are off and you get reassessed from scratch.


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Wow Mike, $150k for an add-on room must be some room...
 
so mike why do you think you have these problems?? ive seen the pics, and the strange ceiling shape but that should be not an issue and not cause that many problems, unless you put gigantic aidas under it.lol. is your floor in good shape? my friend had some issues similar with no control of the bass in his room. turns out his room was just too big and his floor was not the best. loose and creaky , we pulled the rug, re screwed down every piece of subfloor. then dropped 1/4" ply down and screwed it every 3 inches. then put 3/4" hardwood over it. and over that we got a big piece of remnant carpet to fit 75% of the room. we built a new wall which brought his room down to about 15x20 and we made the part behind the wall for storage and an in set shelving system for his gear. the result was awesome. just fixing the floor and puttng he equip back in bare hardwood was reflective but way better . the wall was not 100% necessary but he wanted it to be able to cut down on having to buy big speakers. he ran the older(2004 or 05 model) dynaudio eveidence speakers. after i left he re installed all the traps and panels, bought a pair of sashas and lived happily ever after.lol.
just sayin it might be the original construction for that room. looks to one time being an attic and spending many years in the construction bizz i know that nobody puts any effort into attics and definitely attic floors. and i know his walls were insulated but they werent insulated very good. if his problems continued our next step was pulling down the sheetrock and adding spray in insulation and double up on the sheetrock.
his floors were still a little loose even after hat bu only way to fix that would have been to pull the subfloor and sister all the joist, and that would have been major work. more than my 1 week in ohio would have allowed.
 
Steve, I am convinced the floor is a problem as well. It's a subfloor over a garage.
 
is the ceiling in your garage open or sheetrocked? can you see whats holding up the floor? rooms over garages never get the same type of attention that second floor of your house got when it was built. could just be you need a simple floor tightening and maybe an extra layer of subfloor.
oh btw i like the look of your room with the speakers on the long wall. i may do the same thing here soon.
 
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