Record cleaning fluid

MikeCh said:
How so are these cleaners "obvious choices" in concert with the CA Smart Matrix?
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I'd also like to know. It appears that the L Art is kind of like the AIVS concentrate, but a smaller quantity. However, I don't know what is in it and how it works.
The Record Time cleaner sounds like AIVS #6.
 
MikeCh said:
How so are these cleaners "obvious choices" in concert with the CA Smart Matrix?
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As I had owned an Okki Nokki before hand, which was built by said CA, I merely paid attention to what the distributor as well as dealer used with both, hence obvious choices in my mind, as well as what I chose to use via the freedom of choice act set years ago............, and seeming that both have worked well for " me ", I stand firm on said statement.
 
Kt77 said:
As I had owned an Okki Nokki before hand, which was built by said CA, I merely paid attention to what the distributor as well as dealer used with both, hence obvious choices in my mind, as well as what I chose to use via the freedom of choice act set years ago............, and seeming that both have worked well for " me ", I stand firm on said statement.
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You are ABSOLUTELY free to use whatever cleaner / water / solution you want or prefer.

I just wondered why it was so obvious to you to use brand x cleaner with brand x RCM. Thanks for clarifying.
 
The safety is not easily confirned as no record cleaning fluid I am aware of come with a MSDS. I asked when beta-testing the AIVS Down and Dirty concentrate. We have no idea what is in those solutions! !
 
MikeCh said:
You are ABSOLUTELY free to use whatever cleaner / water / solution you want or prefer.

I just wondered why it was so obvious to you to use brand x cleaner with brand x RCM. Thanks for clarifying.
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Mike,

As I was just coming back to clarify my statement, as it read someone aggressive ( even to me, once I thought about it ) it merely came down to listening to a used LP purchased from my dealer whom carried both said Okki Nokki - CA Smart Matrix and some expensive Keith Monk Ruby thingy or another, that had me impressed after listening before and afterwards to what came across as a sort of cd silence between tracks, as well as while entering the lead in groove. And as severe bouts of gout flare up limit the time I can actually sit and clean x amount of records at any given time ( generally 20 - 47 in one evening ) it merely came down to using ones that didn't require 2 - 4 steps during the process.

And then once again, it was the actual listening to the silence between said tracks and notes themselves that made me commit to both on the spot and not look back.

My bad, for coming across so abrasive, as it's not always the way I wish to be seen........., but I can admit to having a dark side, as do we all if we are honest with ourselves that is.
 
Wntrmute2 said:
The safety is not easily confirned as no record cleaning fluid I am aware of come with a MSDS. I asked when beta-testing the AIVS Down and Dirty concentrate. We have no idea what is in those solutions! !
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Could you translate that to English? I have no idea what MSDS is. Is it a disease? I can't handle too many acronyms. (It's a foregone conclusion that I can not text or do twitter).
As for confirming safety, some products just in their nature and in discussions with those with experience with them can lend themselves to some obvious safety confirmations in one direction or the other. Tergitol just happens to be one them.
I also had a lengthy discussion with the maker of AIVS fluids. While I don't know "exactly" what is in the AIVS solutions, I sort of do. A general awareness of ingredients is all most of us need for products such as these.
I'm not a chemist, but basically, there are several bio-enzymes in them, lab grade purified water and some other supportive stuff (surficant, etc. (In the case of the Super Cleaner there is a tiny bit of lab grade alcohol). There is no alcohol in the concentrate as far as I know. The AIVS products are safe if they get on your skin, however if you wash in them they will dry out your skin something awful I'm told, but who is going to wash in them? (Well, maybe those who turn their VPI 16.5s into fish tanks perhaps).
Also while not safe for ingesting, they won't kill you. However, you would experience several nasty issues. Again, who would drink the stuff? The other reason for the labels is federal regs. (In this case, good ones).
AIVS fluids are just one of a few good ones out there. I just have not tried every one of them of course. (I've tried a few).
 
Wntrmute2 said:
MSDS = material saftey data sheet.
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Thank you, I really am bad with acronyms.
Yes, there is not safety data sheet with AIVS or any other consumer cleaning fluids on the market that I know of. However, there is safety data on the labels (should be) and also in the separate instructions if provided. (AIVS provides separate instructions that either come with it depending on where you buy or you can download them in pdf form off the interwebs).
I think there is a safety data sheet with Tergitol?
 
I too have had lengthy discussions with Jim Pendelton and while I trust him in general , he is a business man who uses a surfactant in his formulas. While he doesn't share that information, he or others may well use Tegritol or some other surfactant equally or nastier in the mix. He doesn't say. We are trusting these businesses to make a safe product. Why do some think the recommendations of the Canadian National Library and our own Library of Congress might be dangerous?
 
Kt77 said:
Mike,

As I was just coming back to clarify my statement, as it read someone aggressive ( even to me, once I thought about it ) it merely came down to listening to a used LP purchased from my dealer whom carried both said Okki Nokki - CA Smart Matrix and some expensive Keith Monk Ruby thingy or another, that had me impressed after listening before and afterwards to what came across as a sort of cd silence between tracks, as well as while entering the lead in groove. And as severe bouts of gout flare up limit the time I can actually sit and clean x amount of records at any given time ( generally 20 - 47 in one evening ) it merely came down to using ones that didn't require 2 - 4 steps during the process.

And then once again, it was the actual listening to the silence between said tracks and notes themselves that made me commit to both on the spot and not look back.

My bad, for coming across so abrasive, as it's not always the way I wish to be seen........., but I can admit to having a dark side, as do we all if we are honest with ourselves that is.
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Oscar,

No worries. I didn't find your response abrasive.

Thanks for the additional info.
 
Wntrmute2 said:
I too have had lengthy discussions with Jim Pendelton and while I trust him in general , he is a business man who uses a surfactant in his formulas. While he doesn't share that information, he or others may well use Tegritol or some other surfactant equally or nastier in the mix. He doesn't say. We are trusting these businesses to make a safe product. Why do some think the recommendations of the Canadian National Library and our own Library of Congress might be dangerous?
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Yes, I agree. I may have been thinking of something other than Tergitol, because I found this: https://www.b2bcomposites.com/msds/ted/74028.pdf

Not as much of a hazard as I was thinking. Really it's just prolonged exposure that you need to watch for. Having said that, I would not be surprised if Tergitol was included in AIVS and similar. You do need a surfactant in most cleaners anyway depending on what they do and how they are used.
 
Interesting thread. I got some Tergitol last weekend from my local friend Wntrmute2 and I'm anxious to mix up a batch of solution and make some comparisons for myself.
 
I mixed up a batch of the Tergitol fluid tonight (2.5mL 15-S-3 with 2.5mL 15-S-9 to 1L Aquafina) and have cleaned a few records, including a few re-cleans. I'm using a 3-step process: apply fluid and spread with light agitation, then two rinses that (at the moment) share the same rinse brush as I only have two. I use a DIY vacuum machine with reversible motor and OEM VPI 16/17 wand.

I'm pretty impressed, actually. I have to agree with Dave (Wntrmute2) that there seems to be an increased ability to get the clean and it seems blacker and sounds quieter overall.

For reference, I have used the Disc Doctor's Miracle Record Cleaner fluid for several years after getting better results (with a good rinse) than with several different home-brew concoctions. I confess that I do not have experience with the AVIS solutions.
 
Jin said:
Hi guys,
What record cleaning fluids do you guys like using? I'm using the AIVS 3 step system, which works great, but it's a bit too much work for a stack of records. I'm thinking of trying their one step system, but wanted to hear what other people are having success with. Thanks!
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Never had the best results that can be realized by using a one-step fluid. I'm currently using the AIVS Enzyme, then Premium Archivist on the VPI 17F, then a distilled water run through the V8 Ultrasonic. Never had cleaner, quieter LPs.

John
 
"Never had the best results that can be realized by using a one-step fluid. I'm currently using the AIVS Enzyme, then Premium Archivist on the VPI 17F, then a distilled water run through the V8 Ultrasonic. Never had cleaner, quieter LPs." -John

Thanks John. I'm using AIVS # 6, with an occasional (not prescribed) distilled H20 RINSE. I'm using a VPI 16.5, Disc Doctor brushes, and an Xtra VPI wand for H20. I was thinking of maybe taking a baby step to the next level. Maybe the AIVS # 15, and always rinse. But my LP's are all at least VG+, most NM. Jim makes a terrific product. Cheers -Don
 
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