New Magico speakers arriving 04/2015!

FlexibleAudio said:
I wonder if the Magico's at AXPONA were properly worn in. As many here know the vapor diamond on Raidho D's takes a long time to sound best. At the nano level, I have no idea how similar the science is between the two vaporization protocols but that may explain some of the reaction noted by attendees??????
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I asked when I was there. Apparently the Q7MkII was broken in, but the M-Pro only had a week or so on it.
 
Mike said:
So more dampening is better?
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Not necessarily, but in most cases , my opinion would be yes, (internal reflections) designer choice really, each speaker is voiced based on the designers preference and design goals, so not as black and white as one being better because of it ..
 
BruceLet said:
If that is the case…..Why would a manufacturer, with unlimited resources, display a speaker that is not properly worn in? It makes no sense, and leaves them open to any negative reaction that they get. IMO, an explanation is an excuse, until they prove otherwise.
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I agree with you completely. It is not possible to argue against your logic. I am simply trying to apply a theory as to why they sounded the way they did to me. Hard to figure......
 
madfloyd said:
I asked when I was there. Apparently the Q7MkII was broken in, but the M-Pro only had a week or so on it.
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I have to admit, I really liked the M Project. I heard it all three days and yes, it changed a little from day to day, but I sat beside Valin on Friday in the M Project room and we both discussed how good they sounded on that first day. I also just love the look.
 
Mike said:
I have to admit, I really liked the M Project. I heard it all three days and yes, it changed a little from day to day, but I sat beside Valin on Friday in the M Project room and we both discussed how good they sounded on that first day. I also just love the look.
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Agree on the looks .....
 
Mike said:
I have to admit, I really liked the M Project. I heard it all three days and yes, it changed a little from day to day, but I sat beside Valin on Friday in the M Project room and we both discussed how good they sounded on that first day. I also just love the look.
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IMO it was better than the Q7 particularly with the Goldfinger and DS Audio. (Some felt the Goldfinger wasn't right but on Sat it was definitely better than Vivaldi imo.)
 
a.wayne said:
Hello Face,

Seeing that Waveguides are used on most drivers,(free hanging being the exception) then the front baffle design is also part of the process, that tweeter face plate (pic) is a waveguide. Horns are different from waveguides, in wave guides there is no "throat" and hence throat pressure (compression) and then expansion as in a true Horn..


Regards
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I've read many "opinions" on what the differences between the two are and this makes the most sense. :tup:
 
KeithR said:
that looks like a highly damped S5 cabinet to my eyes.

what's interesting is YG doesn't damp at all inside.
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That Magico internal is what I'd call very lightly stuffed. The mat applied to the walls is Black Hole 5 or similar product, a 3-layer material intended more for mass damping of the cabinet walls than it is controlling backwave inside the cabinet. It's interesting that they chose that product, tells me that they don't believe their cabinet walls are completely resonance free on their own, and need help from an additional damping layer. Who knows how much if any stuffing material like wool is added to the cabinet internal after the baffle is attached.
 
a.wayne said:
Not necessarily, but in most cases , my opinion would be yes, (internal reflections) designer choice really, each speaker is voiced based on the designers preference and design goals, so not as black and white as one being better because of it ..
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You're right, in the vast majority of cases little if anything has been done to shape the cabinet internals in a way that effectively controls backwave, and the only method applied is through stuffing. In those cases more stuffing is good, because as you note the effect of backwave bouncing around inside the cabinet and finding it's way back through the cone and to the listeners ears is notable and increases with volume. Any backwave that is heard by the listener will be pure 100% distortion, and will be chaotically spread in time, which will confuse the soundstage.

Too much stuffing however can suck some 'life' out of the presentation.

IMO the best approach requires more thought, and results in a more complex/expensive cabinet. The inside of the cabinet housing your midrange drivers should be designed with Finite Element Analysis to simulate backwave propagation, and if done properly a dead zone can be created inside the chamber where backwave essentially goes to die. It cannot be 100% effective on it's own, but combined with FEA analysis of just how much stuffing is needed and exactly where inside the cabinet, can result in 100% effectiveness and FAR less stuffing needed.
 
In regard to the S5, I can give some real world experience with vibration and backwave distortion from the design. I have noticed that I can feel vibrations on the speaker (side, top) when playing music, specifically rock at higher volumes. At first I was a bit surprised at this since the S5 weighs almost 200 pounds. However, it did not appear to be negatively affecting the sound. In fact, I found the sound was so good, clean, and precise that one night I just turned the volume up higher, higher, and higher. Finally, I was maxed out on the preamp, and I was literally being POUNDED by the SPL level. I just sat there amazed that a speaker could play so incredibly loud, and still sound so good. Perhaps there was at bit of distortion at that insane level, but it certainly was not apparent at the time.

While I have no intention of duplicating that feat, I am quite confident the cabinet design of the S5 goes far when it comes to eliminating distortion caused by cabinet vibration.
 
BlueFox said:
In regard to the S5, I can give some real world experience with vibration and backwave distortion from the design. I have noticed that I can feel vibrations on the speaker (side, top) when playing music, specifically rock at higher volumes. At first I was a bit surprised at this since the S5 weighs almost 200 pounds. However, it did not appear to be negatively affecting the sound. In fact, I found the sound was so good, clean, and precise that one night I just turned the volume up higher, higher, and higher. Finally, I was maxed out on the preamp, and I was literally being POUNDED by the SPL level. I just sat there amazed that a speaker could play so incredibly loud, and still sound so good. Perhaps there was at bit of distortion at that insane level, but it certainly was not apparent at the time.

While I have no intention of duplicating that feat, I am quite confident the cabinet design of the S5 goes far when it comes to eliminating distortion caused by cabinet vibration.
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Is that when you blew out your tweeter Bud? :)
 
BlueFox said:
Tweeter, mid-range on the right. Weakened the cross-over and mid-range for later failures on the left. Yes, it was LOUD, but sounded great. Never again.
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Did you have ear protection...that HAD to be insane levels of spl with your system


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Ken, try that with your D3's and let us know what happens.


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Bodhi said:
Mark, doubtless the Revel tweeter is a fine tweeter and makes good use of wave guide technology. Magico too have been advancing the art, and i'm sure would have been well aware of Revel's excellent beryllium dome. However the fruit of their cost-no-object M Project was the MBD-28 tweeter which eshews a wave guide. Here is Alon's comments from TAS...

"The two-year development project produced a tweeter with a completely revised motor structure that features extremely close mechanical tolerances, and an acoustically optimized back-chamber. The beryllium dome is now 28mm (up from 26mm in its predecessor), has a slightly different shape, and is coated with a layer of diamond just five microns thick. The diamond coating, which is vapor-deposited on the beryllium, greatly increases the dome's stiffness without adding much mass. The tweeter's greater power handling also allows it to be crossed over to the midrange at a lower frequency for a smoother transition in radiation pattern at the top of the midrange driver's frequency range and the bottom of the tweeter's range."

From Floyd's feedback, this tweeter is a breakthrough for Magico and just sounds like music (ie: it doesn't sound like the music is coming from a driver as such). That is ultimately what every speaker manufacturer is aiming for, but perhaps only two or three have been able to achieve. Bravo to Alon and Magico!
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Hi David,

This is one of the things I really admire about Alon and his team, their relentless pursuit to improve their product. I have to admit that the Magico beryllium tweeter was never one of my personal favorites but the improvements Alon has made with his larger dome and diamond coating will most likely change my opinion. And his graphene midrange sounds like a true breakthrough in technology and performance. Magico is doing an outstanding job.

Ken
 
Mike said:
Ken, try that with your D3's and let us know what happens.


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Mike,

I think my ears would pop before the D3 speakers! Drinking and cranking don't mix.

Ken
 
BruceLet said:
If that is the case…..Why would a manufacturer, with unlimited resources, display a speaker that is not properly worn in? It makes no sense, and leaves them open to any negative reaction that they get. IMO, an explanation is an excuse, until they prove otherwise.
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It's because the room itself rules.
 
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