New Magico speakers arriving 04/2015!

Al M. said:
How can you possibly know what I am talking about if you haven't heard it?
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I have heard the M-project. Enough to hear the magic.

What other Magicos have you heard?

Not to mention I know your speakers intimately.
 
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Myles is saying that the s5's sound amazing too...not just the m-pro and above. But of course it's all about systems synergy too and I'm sure Myles has that dialed in like few others.


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Myles B. Astor said:
I've heard enough of the M to know and it's God.

But you haven't heard any other Magico
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I have but not the S5.

If you think the S5 isn't totally accurate, you should hear the strings on the tape of the Janaki String Trio on Yarlung.
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I was talking specifically about timbral richness on a great orchestral recording. That's a completely different ballgame in terms of timbral complexity than chamber music, even though achieving accuracy there isn't easy either.
 
bthomas9 said:
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Myles is saying that the s5's sound amazing too...not just the m-pro and above.
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There are lots of speakers that sound amazing. Yet there will be few that can reproduce timbral complexity as well as the M-Pro.
 
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Vapor1 said:
That Magico internal is what I'd call very lightly stuffed. The mat applied to the walls is Black Hole 5 or similar product, a 3-layer material intended more for mass damping of the cabinet walls than it is controlling backwave inside the cabinet. It's interesting that they chose that product, tells me that they don't believe their cabinet walls are completely resonance free on their own, and need help from an additional damping layer. Who knows how much if any stuffing material like wool is added to the cabinet internal after the baffle is attached.
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There is also some additional stuffing apart from Black Hole 5 material. At least there is in the S1:

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On the S5, thay also use Dynamat on the connecting rods.
 

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bthomas9 said:
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Myles is saying that the s5's sound amazing too...not just the m-pro and above. But of course it's all about systems synergy too and I'm sure Myles has that dialed in like few others.


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Exactly. How do you go into and hear a new, unfamiliar system and know what's responsible for the sound? Is it the cables, AC, electronics, source, room, etc? Many audiophiles never realize what their speakers are capable of because they never optimize the upstream components. Garbage in, garbage out.
 
Al M. said:
I have but not the S5.



I was talking specifically about timbral richness on a great orchestral recording. That's a completely different ballgame in terms of timbral complexity than chamber music, even though achieving accuracy there isn't easy either.
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If you can't get a simple trio right, you'll never get massed strings to sound good. You want massed strings? But if it's massed strings you must have, try the Decca tape of Hindemith VC with Oistrakh, Debussy La Mer with Reiner on LP or Arnold Overtures on RR on tape (the LP is a pale facsimile here).
 
Myles B. Astor said:
If you can't get a simple trio right, you'll never get massed strings to sound good. You want massed strings? But if it's massed strings you must have, try the Decca tape of Hindemith VC with Oistrakh, Debussy La Mer with Reiner on LP or Arnold Overtures on RR on tape (the LP is a pale facsimile here).
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So basically you are claiming that the S5 must be just as good in timbral performance, even though it doesn't have the tweeter (which Alon Wolf claims is on a different level) and the graphene midrange drivers (increasing both lightness and stiffness) of the M-Pro, not to mention differences in construction of the casing. Interesting.

Look, the S5 may be a fantastic speaker, but if it were the same as the best, why would Magico build even more advanced models?
 
Al M. said:
So basically you are claiming that the S5 must be just as good in timbral performance, even though it doesn't have the tweeter (which Alon Wolf claims is on a different level) and the graphene midrange drivers (increasing both lightness and stiffness) of the M-Pro, not to mention differences in construction of the casing. Interesting.

Look, the S5 may be a fantastic speaker, but if it were the same as the best, why would Magico build even more advanced models?
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Why are you changing your OP?

It seems unlikely to me that this timbral magic of the M-Pro can be replicated on more middle-of-the range models from Magico. The engineering and building effort to achieve this stunning timbral performance appears to be immense.
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You still haven't answered how you know the sound is the speakers and not the upstream equipment. I bet I could put other gear in Ian's system and the Magicos would sound like dog meat.

BT nailed it. You don't know what something can do until you optimize the eqipment around the speaker It's like changing one length of cable and saying it sounds bad when you are actually hearing the rest of the cabling in the system.
 
Myles B. Astor said:
Why are you changing your OP?
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My OP says:

That disappearing tweeter and the lightness and stiffness of the midrange driver, in an immensely coherent whole with each other and the bass drivers, all incapsulated in an incredibly non-resonant casing, seem to me the only technical way to achieve this.

Right there you have features that are unique to the M-Pro (only shared with the later model Q7 Mk II).
 
BTW I think I was the first to suggest when Ian said the speakers had no bass, dynamics and were harsh to pull everything out of the PLCs, etc. and plug everything direct into the wall.
 
Al M. said:
My OP says:

That disappearing tweeter and the lightness and stiffness of the midrange driver, in an immensely coherent whole with each other and the bass drivers, all incapsulated in an incredibly non-resonant casing, seem to me the only technical way to achieve this.



Right there you have features that are unique to the M-Pro (only shared with the later model Q7 Mk II).
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Wonderful, I saw the driver last April when I was at Magico and was sworn to secrecy. So I've seen it inside and out. Still doesn't substantiate your OP that no other Magico speaker is tonally accurate.
 
Myles B. Astor said:
BTW I think I was the first to suggest when Ian said the speakers had no bass, dynamics and were harsh to pull everything out of the PLCs, etc. and plug everything direct into the wall.
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Didn't his dealer and others who visited say everything was fine. LOL.
 
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