Need a Help from Room Treatments

Paul

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I just received some ASC tube traps( 16X48 ) and I like what I'm hearing. I decide to add some more treatments on my room. My room is kind of weird shape and I like to hear some opinion.

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Take a look at this and tell me what should I do. I wound't mind to get some more ASC tube traps. However I got a quote from ASC and the price is ridiculous. Each trap shipping would be $ 370 each ~!!!!

any way I borrowed some vicoustics and love the look of them but is there any other option ? What else should I consider ? just add some panel along the side walls or should I consider some of diffusers ? Would you provide some pic as well when you recommend ? I don't want to make too damp though. What would be the best option for me ?
 

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Paul - is there anyone you know who can measure your room? Find the problem spots? That helped me.

I just went with Vicoustics and Tube Traps. The Vicoustics are not only the best looking IMO, but they also have the best products to treat problem areas and frequencies. The key with Vicoutics is that you need a lot of them. A few won't do. I'm starting with 30 as I'm going to treat the hell out of my angled room which is a big bad reflection point area. You could probably get by with less.

I worked closely with Jeff from AV Solutions and he worked with the folks at Vicoutics and tube traps (ASC) dialing in the room treatments after the room had been measured.

I can see more tube traps and Vicoustics in your room offering big advantages.
 
Paul:

I've found diffusion very helpful. You may want to give Jeff W. a call to discuss your options. And, it's not rocket science...don't let people scare you with their "precise measurements" and "software." Common sense, patience, an eye for detail and repeated listening will get you 95% of the way there.
 
Perhaps diffusers at first reflexion on side wall positions as your left speaker does look somewhat close to the wall even though your tweeter module on your speaker perhaps points away. Also diffuser and perhaps 1/2 circle trap on either side of your wall behind your speakers can often add some depth to your sound stage. Lastly the left rear corner looks like it might b a slap echo champer that could echo-if so some tube of 2 wall or corner absorber might b very helpful. Good luck


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mdkim said:
Paul:

I've found diffusion very helpful. You may want to give Jeff W. a call to discuss your options. And, it's not rocket science...don't let people scare you with their "precise measurements" and "software." Common sense, patience, an eye for detail and repeated listening will get you 95% of the way there.
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Ok Mike. You are always straight forward kind of guy :cool:

veindoc said:
Perhaps diffusers at first reflexion on side wall positions as your left speaker does look somewhat close to the wall even though your tweeter module on your speaker perhaps points away. Also diffuser and perhaps 1/2 circle trap on either side of your wall behind your speakers can often add some depth to your sound stage. Lastly the left rear corner looks like it might b a slap echo champer that could echo-if so some tube of 2 wall or corner absorber might b very helpful. Good luck


Nick
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Nick. Thank you for advice. What kind of diffusers I should look at ? Anything in my post ?
 
Paul - nobody is trying to scare you.....just don't guess! You need to understand the nodes and other problem areas in your room BECAUSE many of these treatments are dialed in for specific frequencies and respond to those frequencies through diffusion, absorption or a combination of both. For example, how many milliseconds of reverb do you have in your room vs ideal? Do you have a problem area at 63hz?

Paul, you can do what I did the first time around - guess (and waste money) or you can do it properly. The measurements aren't the holy grail, but they give you a plan so you know exactly what treatments or combination of treatments are needed. Getting measurements done isn't expensive. Allan has purchased the same "kit" that many people use. Perhaps he can chime in here.
 
Mike said:
Paul - nobody is trying to scare you.....just don't guess! You need to understand the nodes and other problem areas in your room BECAUSE many of these treatments are dialed in for specific frequencies and respond to those frequencies through diffusion, absorption or a combination of both. For example, how many milliseconds of reverb do you have in your room vs ideal? Do you have a problem area at 63hz?

Paul, you can do what I did the first time around - guess (and waste money) or you can do it properly. The measurements aren't the holy grail, but they give you a plan so you know exactly what treatments or combination of treatments are needed. Getting measurements done isn't expensive. Allan has purchased the same "kit" that many people use. Perhaps he can chime in here.
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Mike I completely understand and I like to do it properly from first place. I have a guy might come in this week who will help. :) btw what kind of software is you and Allen using ?
 
Mike said:
Room Analyzer II Pro
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omg that is cool!!! i need some of that. i was thinking about moving so all my plans came to a halt. but now ive decided to stay for at least another couple years, i need to move forward and fix my listening area.
im about to start making an addition to my diy rack and i want to build a floating shelf for my dvr and tv crap, and hang the tv above it to get rid of some unwanted clutter ,that my speakers have to deal with. like the tv stand. then it will be time to start with the curtains and making my own panels and things.
thx for that link mike i can see that in my future.
 
I've worked with the ASC folks at several stages over the past 5-6 years and have overall been pleased. They can take your room dimensions/diagram and make recommendations for additional treatments (additional tube traps, absorption/diffusion panels) and prioritize if you need to do it in stages.
 
BlueMcIntosh said:
Ok Mike. You are always straight forward kind of guy :cool:


Hey Paul, I had my room analyzed by Tony Grimani of MSR acoustics. In addition to hearing severe slap echo in the entry doorway we also detected bass humps at 40 and 55hz even with no music playing. He next setup a microphone on my listening chair at about ear level. Test tones at different frequencys were play from left, then right and then both speakers to figure out what would most benefit my room relative to my listening position. Base traps behind both speakers were tower traps from asc. Sound absorber panels which do both mainly do mid and higher frequency were used for ceiling front, side and rear walls. My left speaker was my biggest issue and we placed a combo panel that does both diffusion and absorbption. For your room and pocketbook I strongly have a competent person do some analysis rather than just buying stuff based on hunches or someone elses's room. Screw it up or overtreat the room and it will sound way too dead like an aneichoic chamber. Good luck
Nick

Nick. Thank you for advice. What kind of diffusers I should look at ? Anything in my post ?
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Paul,

You are missing diffusers. Especially - as Veindoc mentiond - diffusers at first reflexion on side wall positions AND at first reflexion on front and rear walls. I believe your room is to small to start adding absorbers like the one pictured from Vicoustic (first pic). You can only overdampen your room, and make it sound dead. What your room needs is a diffusion.
 
mdkim said:
Paul:

I've found diffusion very helpful. You may want to give Jeff W. a call to discuss your options. And, it's not rocket science...don't let people scare you with their "precise measurements" and "software." Common sense, patience, an eye for detail and repeated listening will get you 95% of the way there.
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Haha, dat me!:rolleyes:

But do agree, putting diffusers in the first and second reflection points, between the speakers on the front wall, and traps in the corners provides a good foundation already.



Mike said:
Paul - nobody is trying to scare you.....just don't guess! You need to understand the nodes and other problem areas in your room BECAUSE many of these treatments are dialed in for specific frequencies and respond to those frequencies through diffusion, absorption or a combination of both. For example, how many milliseconds of reverb do you have in your room vs ideal? Do you have a problem area at 63hz?

Paul, you can do what I did the first time around - guess (and waste money) or you can do it properly. The measurements aren't the holy grail, but they give you a plan so you know exactly what treatments or combination of treatments are needed. Getting measurements done isn't expensive. Allan has purchased the same "kit" that many people use. Perhaps he can chime in here.
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A lot of truth in this post, and pretty much how I see it. I did buy the XTC Analyzer Pro, should be here on Friday, and my gear on Saturday, so great timing. And I bought it for exactly that reason - not to guess. I ordered some foundational traps earlier in the year off the heals of some great advice from Jeff, but wanted to wait until I get my speakers and measured my room to put the finishing touches on.

And even before you invest in acoustic treatments, make sure the speakers and listening positions are optimal points in the room. Can save you big bucks on treatments you don't really need.
 
BlueMcIntosh said:
My choices are

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Pros and cons each ?
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Paul,

Defnitely give Jeff a call about acoustics in general, and Vicoustics in particular. For my room, I've been circling around RPG and Vicoustics. I find they have a great reputation at working as described, and they have a nice look to them and won't make your room look too much like a dedicated listening room.

But as Mike said, they all work at different frequency ranges, diffuse or absorb different frequencies at different efficiencies, etc. Best to understand what sound you want and what products will help get you there. Jeff will be HUGE help in getting you off on the right foot!
 
In my room. (14 fts width ) what would be the ideal for distance on speakers ? What would you recommend ? More side wall or more between ?
 
BlueMcIntosh said:
In my room. (14 fts width ) what would be the ideal for distance on speakers ? What would you recommend ? More side wall or more between ?
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How far away are you sitting? (Measuring right ear to right tweeter, left ear to left tweeter). How far are the speakers apart measuring tweeter to tweeter? Lastly, what are the dimensions of your room (width and depth)?

There is no hard and fast rules, but I can give you some guidelines to get you started.
 
Mike said:
How far away are you sitting? (Measuring right ear to right tweeter, left ear to left tweeter). How far are the speakers apart measuring tweeter to tweeter? Lastly, what are the dimensions of your room (width and depth)?

There is no hard and fast rules, but I can give you some guidelines to get you started.
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Thanks Mike.here is the dimension.

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