My Session With Jim Smith

Mike

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Ever since I first read "Get Better Sound" by Jim Smith and put his procedures into practice, I've been a believer. I had always wanted to have Jim come and do a voicing, but I never kept a pair of speakers long enough to do so. :)

So, just after getting my Avantgarde Duo Mezzo XD's, I immediately thought of Jim. Jim was the distributor for Avantgarde for many years and has set up more pairs of Avantgarde speakers than anyone on the planet. Also, Jim is the only one to receive repeated standing ovations for his setup of Avantgarde's at CES many years ago. So the decision to hire Jim was a no brainer.

Jim arrived at my house on Tuesday. Jim brings his equipment - DAC, cables, measuring equipment, etc. in multiple suitcases. After our initial greeting, Jim proceeded to plug in his DAC, cables and other equipment in order to get them warmed up for tomorrow's work. On Tuesday, we simply listened. Whatever I played was fine. Jim didn't say a word, he was quite stealthy in what he was thinking. He was simply processing information on what he was hearing. After a fun session of listening, we went for dinner along with Mark (MDP) and John Chait (a local audiophile friend).

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After a good nights sleep, Jim got to work early. Jim begins by connecting his DAC, cables, Laptop, software, etc. to my system and cycling through dozens and dozens of test tracks he brought. Sometimes he listens to 30 seconds, sometimes several minutes of a song, but many times, he goes back and listens to the same song over and over again to verify what he's hearing.

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After about two hours, Jim moves to his next phase of the process: measurements. Out come the tripods, laptop, proper measuring equipment, microphones, etc. Jim begins measuring and analyzing the room. He is looking for the best place in the room to sit. Forget about the speakers for the meantime, where you sit in the room impacts EVERYTHING. Sometimes the best spot is not the most practical, but regardless, Jim will find the best spot that is the most practical. We were able to watch in real time as Jim moved microphones around and we achieved the best spot. It was amazing to see the dips and peeks change as we moved the microphone around to eventually achieving a relatively flat bass response for the best seat.

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Now we move the seat to the ideal location and listen again. Jim once again cycles through his songs and various test tracks.

Next up, Jim gets out more tripods and his lasers. By the time he's done, my room looked like a scene from the Matrix. There were lasers pointing at lasers, pointing at lasers. Jim is all the while writing down detailed measurements of the room. He is trying to find the "center" and many more data points.

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After that, we move the speakers to a location based on Jim's instructions and we use the lasers to ensure accuracy within 1/64 inch or less! In my case, the speakers were moved a little closer together and moved closer to the listener (since the ideal listening spot was back from where I originally had the chair). Once done, we listen, we measure and we listen more. We fine tune the speakers locations. We also fine tuned the rake angle of the speakers. For several hours, we are making minor tweaks.

At this point, we have achieved a huge improvement in sound. My initial thought as I sat there listening was "I don't hear the room anymore". We had amazing depth, nuances in songs were jumping out where before they were hidden. We had pinpoint imaging and vocals were the right size. We also had layering and layering in terms of soundstage. Jim's efforts produced sonic improvements greater than any new amp, preamp, cable, DAC, etc. COMBINED.

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In most cases, Jim would have been done, but not so with the Avantgarde XD's. Using the PEQ functionality of the speaker, now we could really fine tune the speaker to the room. For the next several hours, we measured, adjusted, listened, measured, adjusted, etc. until we achieved yet another level of improvement: perfect integration of the speaker into the room using the Avantgarde XD's new PEQ functionality.

As we approached early evening, we were done and Jim was pleased. I was delighted! The sound had improved 10 fold. Mark (MDP) was with me and witnessed the entire setup from Jim. Jim is focused, methodical and determined to achieve perfection. He does not stop for lunch or take a break. He gets into the zone and keeps going until he achieves perfection.

Hiring Jim smith was the best money I have ever spent in high end audio. The investment you make in Jim pales in comparison to the money we spend on a pair of speaker cables or new interconnects.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you invest in a proper setup by Jim Smith. You won't know just how good your system can be until you do. That, I can guarantee.

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After reading Jim Smith's book "Get Better Sound" twice I hired Jim to come out to Chicago about a year ago.

My results mirror yours. It is the best money I ever spent. Jim has set up more high end systems than anyone else I am aware of. He did an outstanding job for me.
 
Mike.......Sounds like a rewarding event that produce excellent results. Thanks for all the photos. I like what you have done with the Wavewood and curved panels on the ceiling angles. I also have Jim's book and have learned much from many of his techniques.
 
That's pretty interesting Mike. Reminds me of when I had my TV calibrated, the before and after difference was amazing. Obviously, changing speakers will affect the setup, but did you get any idea as to how adding/removing furniture, or making other changes, will affect the setup.

I just ordered the book. Used copies are selling for twice the price of new on Amazon. LOL.
 
Mike, great choice with getting Jim to do your set up. I've learnt a whole heap from his book & dvds
 
Great writeup, Mike, thx for sharing! Interesting stuff.


Brilliant, thanks for the write up Mike and congratulations on the sound improvements.

Interesting to read of the melt between objective measurements and subjective listening.



IF audiophiles were capable of finding the best place in the room to place their listening chair - they could save thousands in equipment upgrades - the benefit of which is largely masked by poor room acoustics.

Totally agree!
 
Thanks Mike for sharing that experience. One question , why did Jim bring HIS DAC ? I thought you had a decent dac.

Ah! Good question! Because he knows EXACTLY how his DAC sounds.
 
Mike,

First of all, I'm glad you are very happy with the setup. I know that room has given you a hard time acoustically to set equipment in the past.

I spoke with Mark on Friday and he was blown away by the transformation.

I'll be visiting Tampa in May and hope to come over and listen to your system. Now, the question, will you still have this speakers then? :cool:

Glad that you are happy with the results Mike. Clearly a super endorsement for Jim Smith.
 
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Thanks Mike. I definitely look forward to seeing you in May.

Yes, my room has been problematic in the past, but through Jim's efforts and the PEQ functionality on the speakers, we were able to achieve sonic nirvana for the first time ever in my room. I was so used to hearing room artifacts that muddied up the sound. I just don't hear those now. Not at all.
 
Mike,
Nice to hear you've hit a new level of sonic nirvana :)
I have wanted to have Jim come to do a set up for some time, ever since reading his book. Haven't done it yet but this sure is inspiration. One question for you and not sure if it came up in your conversations or setup but I know one of Jim's top recommendations originally was to remove all equipment stacks/racks/gear/tv etc. from between the speakers due to the detrimental impact on imaging/SQ. Some of this discussion was also about how far back from the speaker driver these obstructions should ideally be. Many people invest in expensive long runs of cabling to shift their gear to the side wall further back to avoid this issue. I may be wrong on this but I understood that Jim had "softened" (bad word to describe this probably) his position or thoughts on this more recently. Did you and Jim discuss this or did it come up with respect to your gear?
Thanks
Chris
 
As the speakers will change-Did Jim think listening chair and approximate speaker locations will work down the road?

No. Any new speaker would require new voicing if I want it to be perfect. Obviously the listening position is much better now. But another brand/model of speaker would need a new voicing. We all know that many speaker brands have their own "hump" at certain frequencies. In my case, my Raidho and Wilson's did.
 
Ah! and what dac did Jim bring with him ?

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As the speakers will change-Did Jim think listening chair and approximate speaker locations will work down the road?
...or another interpretation at what Nick meant.... no the acoustical boundaries of the speaker wont change, just the delivery of the pitch wave & speed will have a slight difference as the speakers break in, but, the measurements should remain the same from a set mechanical device. If the speakers are moved an inch or changed, all bets are off.
 
...or another interpretation at what Nick meant.... no the acoustical boundaries of the speaker wont change, just the delivery of the pitch wave & speed will have a slight difference as the speakers break in, but, the measurements should remain the same from a set mechanical device. If the speakers are moved an inch or changed, all bets are off.

Interesting question, but I feel they are broken in and any additional changes will be very minor. My speakers were broken in by Avantgarde prior to RMAF, played for four days straight at RMAF and I've been playing them a lot since I got them a few weeks ago.

Break in is estimated at 100 hours. These are well beyond that.

Is that what you meant?
 
Mike,
Nice to hear you've hit a new level of sonic nirvana :)
I have wanted to have Jim come to do a set up for some time, ever since reading his book. Haven't done it yet but this sure is inspiration. One question for you and not sure if it came up in your conversations or setup but I know one of Jim's top recommendations originally was to remove all equipment stacks/racks/gear/tv etc. from between the speakers due to the detrimental impact on imaging/SQ. Some of this discussion was also about how far back from the speaker driver these obstructions should ideally be. Many people invest in expensive long runs of cabling to shift their gear to the side wall further back to avoid this issue. I may be wrong on this but I understood that Jim had "softened" (bad word to describe this probably) his position or thoughts on this more recently. Did you and Jim discuss this or did it come up with respect to your gear?
Thanks
Chris

Hi Chris - I highly recommend having Jim do a setup. I don't know why I waited so long. When you watch him work, you instantly feel great about your investment. When he's done, you're kicking yourself for not doing it sooner.

As for the racks, we never discussed it. I got the sense that Jim accepts things the way they are and he voices around them - if that makes any sense.

He did make some suggestions on other things. Like, when I asked him where I should put all my giant home theater subs that are unplugged and not in use, his answer was "audiogon". [emoji14]
 
Spending time with Jim again was a real treat. I traveled to his house and spent time listening to his own system to understand the different things he's looking for when he voices a system. It was very informative, and has helped me with my own setup. But watching him voice a system was even more informative.

Mike's system sounded great to me on Tuesday night when we arrived at his house. Jim and I listened to a few songs before the three of us left for dinner. Wednesday was the voicing day. To be honest, I really wondered how much improvement could we really expect? As it turned out, quite a bit. When I gather some funds again, I will have Jim come to my place as well.

As for the Avantgarde Duo Mezzos that are in Mike's system right now, all I can say is if he blows this system up I'm going to commit him to a hospital for evaluation :ko:
 
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