My Recent Digital vs Analog Experience

a.wayne said:
Ever recorded a symphony?
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Not at the Straz or USF, no.
Where do you frequent? Does any sane person there think it sounds like a vinyl stereo record?

a.wayne said:
1. Digital pre ringing is audible
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In your head sure. Outside. no, zero evidence will ever be presented. Don't bother reaching around and tugging.


a.wayne said:
2. Digital dynamic range is overstated because there is no advantage over analog due to dynamic compression
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Nonsense. 123db is greater than at best 70db. http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=6234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth
Evidence please, not more reach arounds.

a.wayne said:
4. Analog Dynamic range exceeds 20-20K
5. Wow and flutter is easily overcome on anything above play play level ..
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World salad. Zero evidence again.
;)
 
I also get the convenience thing not having to worry about damaging a needle or storing and cleaning lots of vinyl. But on the flip side I find the hard work involved in finding that perfect press at the store, slowing down to mindfully find the record in the collection touching and experiencing the cover art and actually listening to whole albums rather than songs, all adds up to increasing my enjoyment of listening to music. My expectations become lower so the good moments feel better. I'm currently trying to add albums to my streaming play list rather than songs to see if I can get back some of that enjoyment. I notice a similar thing watching the sport of rugby league, with new technology and slow motion replays we have technology to assist referees to officiate better but I'm finding I enjoy watching the sport less. Having to wait for outcomes I lose immediacy in the emotional envolvement and being able to see things more clearly I find I'm more upset when my view differs from the referee. Having said that the soccer world Cup was pretty good and I like the technology in tennis. I find the topic of technology vs enjoyment quite interesting.
 
Audiophiles dont listen to live music AJ , we listen to Recordings of live music, no stereo sounds live , it cant , but if it can come close enuff to suspend disbelief ..

its a winner ...!

BTW , try listening to the Symphony with your eyes closed ...
 
Alrainbow said:
There is a cd ? I have heard it on tape and vinyl but mine is dsd 64 download From acoustic sounds. Aj want dac do you use ? Is your chain pure meaning no dsp and does it play dsd ?
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https://www.discogs.com/Elvis-Presley-Stereo-57-Essential-Elvis-Volume-2/release/5641121
https://www.discogs.com/Elvis-Presley-Stereo-57-Essential-Elvis-Vol2/release/3118461

Sorry for my crappy photography above. That's a NAD M51 above the Lexicon MC10. It handles the up front/direct mains stereo signal, the MC10 handles the immersion channels and indirect radiation on the mains.

DSD? Don't get me started Al :)

cheers,

AJ
 
AJ Soundfield said:
Not at the Straz or USF, no.
Where do you frequent? Does any sane person there think it sounds like a vinyl stereo record?


In your head sure. Outside. no, zero evidence will ever be presented. Don't bother reaching around and tugging.



Nonsense. 123db is greater than at best 70db. http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=6234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth
Evidence please, not more reach arounds.


World salad. Zero evidence again.
;)
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A mattress of Conjecture there Bwoy , not to mention the intellectual dishonesty...

My, My ...
 
voxshall said:
I also get the convenience thing not having to worry about damaging a needle or storing and cleaning lots of vinyl. But on the flip side I find the hard work involved in finding that perfect press at the store, slowing down to mindfully find the record in the collection touching and experiencing the cover art and actually listening to whole albums rather than songs, all adds up to increasing my enjoyment of listening to music. My expectations become lower so the good moments feel better. I'm currently trying to add albums to my streaming play list rather than songs to see if I can get back some of that enjoyment. I notice a similar thing watching the sport of rugby league, with new technology and slow motion replays we have technology to assist referees to officiate better but I'm finding I enjoy watching the sport less. Having to wait for outcomes I lose immediacy in the emotional envolvement and being able to see things more clearly I find I'm more upset when my view differs from the referee. Having said that the soccer world Cup was pretty good and I like the technology in tennis. I find the topic of technology vs enjoyment quite interesting.
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True Dat ....!
 
a.wayne said:
Audiophiles dont listen to live music AJ , we listen to Recordings of live music, no stereo sounds live , it cant , but if it can come close enuff to suspend disbelief ..

its a winner ...!
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So what frightened this guy so much? http://www.onhifi.com/features/20010615.htm

Actually, that is where the biggest difference lies. Goals. As JGH pointed out, very few audiophiles actually listen to live classical in concert halls. So naturally, that isn't what they are chasing. They are chasing something else entirely, whatever sounds good to them.
There is an entire field of science, research and work that you are unaware of, trying to perceptually recreate a virtual reality of said concert halls and other "real" acoustic events. https://www.google.com/search?sourc...131k1j0i20i264k1j0i22i10i30k1.106.2dnzX8FF9q8
Totally removed from the "audiophile" sphere, where 2ch stereo and stuff like vinyl, tubes, etc rule.
There is nothing wrong with preferring whatever you prefer, liking rock music etc., making yourself happy with analog frontal stereo.
It's not sufficient for all and yes, that means a digital pathway for this reason: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=9136
Lets be clear on what is what.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
So what frightened this guy so much? http://www.onhifi.com/features/20010615.htm

Actually, that is where the biggest difference lies. Goals. As JGH pointed out, very few audiophiles actually listen to live classical in concert halls. So naturally, that isn't what they are chasing. They are chasing something else entirely, whatever sounds good to them.
There is an entire field of science, research and work that you are unaware of, trying to perceptually recreate a virtual reality of said concert halls and other "real" acoustic events. https://www.google.com/search?sourc...131k1j0i20i264k1j0i22i10i30k1.106.2dnzX8FF9q8
Totally removed from the "audiophile" sphere, where 2ch stereo and stuff like vinyl, tubes, etc rule.
There is nothing wrong with preferring whatever you prefer, liking rock music etc., making yourself happy with analog frontal stereo.
It's not sufficient http://www.ayre.com/white_papers/Ayre_MP_White_Paper.pdf all and yes, that means a digital pathway for this reason: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=9136
Lets be clear on what is what.
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Funny the Irony ,

:)

Obviously there are really good sounding HiFi systems you are unaware of and without digital artifacts
 
AJ Soundfield said:
Totally removed from the "audiophile" sphere, where 2ch stereo and stuff like vinyl, tubes, etc rule.
There is nothing wrong with preferring whatever you prefer, liking rock music etc., making yourself happy with analog frontal stereo.
It's not sufficient for all and yes, that means a digital pathway for this reason: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=9136
Lets be clear on what is what.
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Ohhh Cool like quadraphonic , must be a winner , multiple speakers , phantom channels to create that unique soundfield of realism , the kind of soundfield a good 2ch system re creates without all that digital pontification ...


ok :)
 
a.wayne said:
Obviously there are really good sounding HiFi systems you are unaware of and without digital artifacts
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Sure and there are unicorns on the dark side of the moon...but I just haven't seen them.:)

Really good sounding according to whom?
 
voxshall said:
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I notice a similar thing watching the sport of rugby league, with new technology and slow motion replays we have technology to assist referees to officiate better but I'm finding I enjoy watching the sport less. Having to wait for outcomes I lose immediacy in the emotional envolvement and being able to see things more clearly I find I'm more upset when my view differs from the referee. Having said that the soccer world Cup was pretty good and I like the technology in tennis. I find the topic of technology vs enjoyment quite interesting.
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On the use of technology in soccer and tennis: I think that it is great. So many crucial goals/points that were allowed in the past would have been disallowed today thanks to today's technology. The hand of God goal comes to mind. [emoji15]

And in tennis... One of these days the PLAYERS will demand to have only the referee and hawk-eye decide everything and forgo the rest of humans. (It will likely mean more money for the players).
 
voxshall said:
I guess my point is, with technolgy its still not perfect and they could use technology for every aspect of the game and the whole experience of watching would be awful.
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From the tennis standpoint, it would not be awful. The ball is either in or out. I see no need to have a player challenge a call if that can be easily decided by technology. Let players play tennis and use Technology to speed up the game and make the right calls. It will not ruin my enjoyment of the game one bit.
 
I agree it works well in tennis just not in soccer and rugby if used to often, and it's not perfect. In the final of the soccer world Cup for instance they didn't check pogbas handball yet they penalised the other team for the same thing. In nrl rugby league they go to replay for nearly everything and get more argumentso on decisions than ever.
 
Smartphones and social media help us to stay connected and yet the effects on children being being affected by parents being half present but not fully present due to being on phones, is becoming a real issue, even though parents are spending more time than ever with their children the fact it's not quality time makes a big difference. I could easily make some test up that says smartphones increase the ability to connect and yet the true experience could be quite different. I just find the pros and cons of technology and experience interesting.
 
Back to comparisons the Lumin is quieter in terms of back ground noise the music appears so holographic it really brings out lots of noise in the vinyl, that I never really paid much attention too. The garrard 301 had a more weighty bass, this driving foundation that had me grooving away and all the other music was like extra delights on top. Comparing Impossible Germany MQA track on tidal, the vinyl had more textures in the voice too, but it was mainly the feeling of more energy and more realism and more emotional connection as if the musicians were in the room, thats not to say it sounded more real to the original event, but it was better at tricking me into thinking I was at the event. This is my third day with the A1 and I am loving it more and more, it really does sound incredible and is the best digital frontend I've ever heard.
 
A 1 hour infomercial for audiophiles. Cool.:)
Who apparently still can't grasp that only the analog waveforms are being sent from their speakers>ears. The "AC" part after the D sows much confusion.
I had to admit Mr Wayne throwing out dither last night was very very funny.:P
"Digital" "artifacts" may be getting into audiophile heads via some form of direct beam N rays, but in reality only the analog waveforms can be processed by the ears.
Nicoff, rest assured that the analog waves hitting your ears are indeed superior from your digital source, by all metrics except distortion, which of a certain type, can be pleasing to some, some of the time. But regardless of money spent, that's not fidelity, it's "whatever sounds good to me", as the patriarch of audiophiles JGH stated so eloquently.
Preference confused for fidelity by those unable to discern.

cheers,

AJ
 
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