My Recent Digital vs Analog Experience

I'm currently comparing digital and turntable of similar price Lumin A1 vs Garrard 301 EMT cart shindo preamp and so far the turntable is a noticeable step up, sounds more real like musicians are in the room, more color more texture more to give me goose bumps. The Lumin is very clear like pristine water it's very enjoyable, but I wonder if our different results have more to do with the system as a whole. I noticed on a high end linn demo there streamer sounded better than there turntable and I got home and noticed the opposite with my system.
 
Yes it can be very system related , if optimized or more specifically compromised to suit one better than the other can sway results , iMO LP playback software is very quality sensitive much more so than digital ..


regards
 
analog gives up nothing to digital except for convenience and storage.
This is of course, utter nonsense.
http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=6234
Analog is inferior by every metric, but some ears/systems are too poor for it to be noticed and some just prefer that noisier, lower dynamic range, wider timing/temporal errors, etc, etc, etc.
As JGH said:
Do you still feel the high-end audio industry has lost its way in the manner you described 15 years ago?


Not in the same manner; there's no hope now. Audio actually used to have a goal: perfect reproduction of the sound of real music performed in a real space. That was found difficult to achieve, and it was abandoned when most music lovers, who almost never heard anything except amplified music anyway, forgot what "the real thing" had sounded like. Today, "good" sound is whatever one likes. As Art Dudley so succinctly said [in his January 2004 "Listening," see "Letters," p.9], fidelity is irrelevant to music.


Since the only measure of sound quality is that the listener likes it, that has pretty well put an end to audio advancement, because different people rarely agree about sound quality. Abandoning the acoustical-instrument standard, and the mindless acceptance of voodoo science, were not parts of my original vision.


I remember you strongly feeling back in 1992 that multichannel/surround reproduction was the only chance the industry had for getting back on course.


With fidelity in stagnation, spatiality was the only area of improvement left.


As you were so committed to surround, do you feel that the commercial failures of DVD-Audio and SACD could have been avoided?


I doubt it. No audio product has ever succeeded because it was better, only because it was cheaper, smaller, or easier to use. Your generation of music lovers will probably be the last that even think about fidelity.


Judging by online forums and by the e-mail I receive, there are currently three areas of passion for audiophiles: vinyl playback, headphone listening, and music servers. Are you surprised by this?


I find them all boring, but nothing surprises me any more.


Do you see any signs of future vitality in high-end audio?


Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by its own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I am associated by so many people with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel. For the record: I never, ever claimed that measurements don't matter. What I said (and very often, at that) was, they don't always tell the whole story. Not quite the same thing.


Remember those loudspeaker shoot-outs we used to have during our annual writer gatherings in Santa Fe? The frequent occasions when various reviewers would repeatedly choose the same loudspeaker as their favorite (or least-favorite) model? That was all the proof needed that [blind] testing does work, aside from the fact that it's (still) the only honest kind. It also suggested that simple ear training, with DBT confirmation, could have built the kind of listening confidence among talented reviewers that might have made a world of difference in the outcome of high-end audio.


Yet you achieved so much, Gordon.


I know I did, and my whole excuse for it—a love for the sound of live classical music—lost its relevance in the US within 10 years. I was done in by time, history, and the most spoiled, destructive generation of irresponsible brats the world has ever seen. (I refer, of course, to the Boomers.)
I get that people like lo fidelity vinyl. High fidelity it is not. There is no surface noise, clicks/pops, wow and flutter, rumble, poor crosstalk, groove echo, etc, etc. at live classical performances, not that audiophiles would know that. They just know what they like, the sound of records.

cheers,

AJ
 
Audio actually used to have a goal: perfect reproduction of the sound of real music performed in a real space.

No.
The goal is not the "real thing". The goal of high end audio is "the virtual thing".
The goal is not the reality as it is, but to create another and maybe more pleasant reality.
As i usually say, of the "real thing" i just care about the tone of acoustical instruments, when played individually. Nothing more.
From here, our systems are just a tool to create a new reality.
 
Today I do not know where the dollar threshold would be when analog can sound better than digital.
There is none. No 2ch analog/vinyl/etc. system on earth can approach something like this http://www.onhifi.com/features/20010615.htm which appeared to frighten audiophiles.;)
While proprietary, there are similar digital technologies trickling out now.
The latest toy in my listening room has some interesting tech. It's very complex to set up properly, so inadvisable for Joe audiophile who might prefer simplicity and /or more archaic means of reproducing sound. YMMV.
I'm just getting started but the potential is there...if you are chasing that form of "High Fidelity" experience. Clearly not all are, as so succinctly described by Stereophiles founder.

cheers,

AJ
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This is of course, utter nonsense.
http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=6234
Analog is inferior by every metric, but some ears/systems are too poor for it to be noticed and some just prefer that noisier, lower dynamic range, wider timing/temporal errors, etc, etc, etc.
As JGH said:

I get that people like lo fidelity vinyl. High fidelity it is not. There is no surface noise, clicks/pops, wow and flutter, rumble, poor crosstalk, groove echo, etc, etc. at live classical performances, not that audiophiles would know that. They just know what they like, the sound of records.

cheers,

AJ


You haven't answered or provided any proof to any questions asked thats whats utter non-sense, as was your dynamic range advantage claim , explained to you months ago , was again negated in your own post and link today..

lol :)
 
This is of course, utter nonsense.
http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=6234
Analog is inferior by every metric, but some ears/systems are too poor for it to be noticed and some just prefer that noisier, lower dynamic range, wider timing/temporal errors, etc, etc, etc.
As JGH said:

I get that people like lo fidelity vinyl. High fidelity it is not. There is no surface noise, clicks/pops, wow and flutter, rumble, poor crosstalk, groove echo, etc, etc. at live classical performances, not that audiophiles would know that. They just know what they like, the sound of records.

cheers,

AJ

How many live Classical performances have dither , clocking errors, digital artifacts , power supply noise , et al ...

You are apparently happy with your low fidelity system , so let others live too Nuh .. :)
 
There is none. No 2ch analog/vinyl/etc. system on earth can approach something like this http://www.onhifi.com/features/20010615.htm which appeared to frighten audiophiles.;)
While proprietary, there are similar digital technologies trickling out now.
The latest toy in my listening room has some interesting tech. It's very complex to set up properly, so inadvisable for Joe audiophile who might prefer simplicity and /or more archaic means of reproducing sound. YMMV.
I'm just getting started but the potential is there...if you are chasing that form of "High Fidelity" experience. Clearly not all are, as so succinctly described by Stereophiles founder.

cheers,

AJ
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Nothing like over processing to sound real ...!!!


:roflmao:
 
I was going to say it's one of the flaws of digital, but alas...:D

My app did not display or show all the posts and was showing a gap in the number of posts. I restarted my phone and it is all good now. [emoji854]
 
How many live Classical performances have dither , clocking errors, digital artifacts , power supply noise , et al ...
None of which are audible except in the imagination of the most susceptible, unlike surface noise, clicks/pops, wow and flutter, rumble, poor crosstalk, groove echo, etc, etc. :)
 
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