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FlexibleAudio said:
Umm no Norman, you said I am free to feel the way I do and then made it clear I am divorced from reality and laughed out loud at me ....that is a very different thing. You should be more careful.
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Relax Paul, its all good.
I wish you joy in your audio quest. As long as you are happy...I am happy for you.
Just a little poking in fun, that's all.
 
Mike said:
Norman - you have a point. You can drastically change the sound by rolling output tubes and especially rectifiers. For some, that's great and they love the challenge. For others, it's a PITA.

My only wish with Lampi (and you know I'm a huge huge fan) is they get their product schemes and product roll outs down. Nobody wants to buy an expensive product only to have it outdated in 30 days because Lukasz heard from a guy, who heard from another guy, that this new cap is great.

Put four walls around a model and live with it for at least a year - for the sake of the purchaser.

I know the constant evolving of the product is a real attraction to some, but for the would be buyer, trying to time the "when" to buy (because of the constant changes) is like trying to catch a falling knife.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge huge fan. I own the GG and have 211's on the way. Fred and Rob are awesome. I'm just giving my two cents of business advice.

Lampi Bronze, Silver and Gold has a nice ring to it.

Wait a minute...isn't this an MSB thread? Damn...all threads seem to turn to Lampi talk. [emoji48]
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Lol

Tell that to Lukasz.

As for me, I am very happy with my B7 (11 months old now) and only pine away for DSD256 becuase of HQP upconverting. The B7 has been frozen since last November and the GG the same since March, except if he has to hunt substitutes because of unreliable suppliers. it apparently takes time to qualify new components. Recall that even you are impatient for your 211 amps?
 
Mike said:
Norman - you have a point. You can drastically change the sound by rolling output tubes and especially rectifiers. For some, that's great and they love the challenge. For others, it's a PITA.

My only wish with Lampi (and you know I'm a huge huge fan) is they get their product schemes and product roll outs down. Nobody wants to buy an expensive product only to have it outdated in 30 days because Lukasz heard from a guy, who heard from another guy, that this new cap is great.

Put four walls around a model and live with it for at least a year - for the sake of the purchaser.

I know the constant evolving of the product is a real attraction to some, but for the would be buyer, trying to time the "when" to buy (because of the constant changes) is like trying to catch a falling knife.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge huge fan. I own the GG and have 211's on the way. Fred and Rob are awesome. I'm just giving my two cents of business advice.

Lampi Bronze, Silver and Gold has a nice ring to it.

Wait a minute...isn't this an MSB thread? Damn...all threads seem to turn to Lampi talk. [emoji48]
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Mike has a great point here. One of the things I love about the Lumin,beside the sound, is that the model I bought has not been replaced or updated. I receive automatic updates when they are released, and so my product stays current.
Lamp should slow down and concentrate on a few products and make them the best they can be, and then live with it for a few years while R&D continue.
Constant change does keep people like me away from their product.

That said, I still want to hear a Lampi !!
 
Mark,

I think that is the plan, as I understand it. Perhaps Lukasz listened to Mike when they met after all.
LoL
 
MDP said:
Mike has a great point here. One of the things I love about the Lumin,beside the sound, is that the model I bought has not been replaced or updated. I receive automatic updates when they are released, and so my product stays current.
Lamp should slow down and concentrate on a few products and make them the best they can be, and then live with it for a few years while R&D continue.
Constant change does keep people like me away from their product.

That said, I still want to hear a Lampi !!
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The truth is people like to upgrade. Like Wisnon, I am not upgrading from my B7. The B7 beats Trinity, Esoteric K01, Playback designs and MSB on multiple systems where people have heard them next to each other (Of the only two reports I have seen go the other way, one is at a hifi show, and the one was Ian (Madfloyd)), and remember that most positive Lampi reports are with low quality valves (i.e. replicas). Only Mike, Sfox, and one or two others have real quality valves.

Given that to me the B7 beats other digital sources at much less the price, I don't see the point of upgrading to GG to beat only the B7. Happy to be second best. But the jump from L5 to B7 was well worth it as for a small price I vaulted over a lot of digital
 
wisnon said:
Relax Paul, its all good.
I wish you joy in your audio quest. As long as you are happy...I am happy for you.
Just a little poking in fun, that's all.
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Norman, I am quite relaxed. However, when I see an otherwise rational person consistently act in irrational ways I tend to smell a rat. In this thread alone you have said the following as it relates to my views on wholly subjective matters:

---My opinion is wrong.
---I am making blind judgments.
---I am divorced from reality.

This kind of irrational zealotry does not upset me in the least, it does, however, make me question your motivations. Do you recall a couple of months ago when I pondered wether you might have a financial interest in Lampi, you responded by offering me stock in a Swiss Audio company if I had "played nice on Lampi."

If you had played nice, I would have arranged to send you a Pvt Equity solicitation for a stake in a well known Swiss high end outfit that is thinking of expanding. I dunno what you pocket is like, but as you like the hobby and maybe had interest, it was a possibility.
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So let me get this straight: I question whether your unrelenting, multi-forum pushing of all things Lampi which includes aggression toward all challengers might be financially motivated and you respond by denying any such thing but offer me a financial interest in another Audio Company if I "play nice regarding Lampi." Norman, I do not take a thing you say seriously so please leave me out of your diatribes.
 
First of all, to post private conversations is a big no-no! Speaks more about you than me.

2nd of all, play nice with ME (that should have been clear to you). Do you think I would pass ona refernce to someone who behaved in sstrange way? You were far from nice, accusing me of stuff like you do now. The company is owned by an acaquintance of mine who asked me as a favour to refer any potential investors I may run into. The fellow asked me as he knows I work in Corporate Finance and I MAY run into interested people. Nothing in it for me except friendship and I approached you as you may have been interested. however, as I have no skin in the game and you started to become unpleasant (with baseless accusations), I backed away. Again you claim stuff about playing nice with Lampi and your own excerpt says different. I dont work for Lampi nor any other company in Audio. No financial ties at all. i can hardly see how a Polish firm could afford Swiss salaries, when based on the Financials of even most of famous high end brands could NOT afford to pay me what I earn in Pharma. Switzerland is a big Pharma country, in case you dont know. Go talk to the people who actually know me, they know better. Even people I tangentially know like Marty from WBF know better as our companies crossed paths in the past. Go check out companies like Actelion, Roche, Merck-Serono (my old company), Novartis, Alexion, etc...That is my world.

I have the prospectus right here with me and I hve another local pals who has Gulf State heavyweight contacts and I passed on a copy to him to follow up with, as I think this particular audio company makes very commendable products and with expansion has the potential to sake up the high end market. i will let you know right here if and when it happens. This is just a hobby for me and I dont seek or expect to make a penny from any of this. I think you KNOW this and are trying to be mischievous. Oh well, it wont work with me as I have truth and reality in my corner. Not everybody is chasing a buck by any means necessary. Maybe in your world, not mine.

You have done your worst, but its no skin off my back.

Now, do YOU work for Soulution? You seem touchy about all things related to them, so Can I ridiculously assume you work for them?
 
wisnon said:
First of all, to post private conversations is a big no-no! Speaks more about you than me.

2nd of all, play nice with ME (that should have been clear to you). Do you think I would pass ona refernce to someone who behaved in sstrange way? You were far from nice, accusing me of stuff like you do now. The company is owned by an acaquintance of mine who asked me as a favour to refer any potential investors I may run into. The fellow asked me as he knows I work in Corporate Finance and I MAY run into interested people. Nothing in it for me except friendship and I approached you as you may have been interested. however, as I have no skin in the game and you started to become unpleasant (with baseless accusations), I backed away. Again you claim stuff about playing nice with Lampi and your own excerpt says different. I dont work for Lampi nor any other company in Audio. No financial ties at all. i can hardly see how a Polish firm could afford Swiss salaries, when based on the Financials of even most of famous high end brands could NOT afford to pay me what I earn in Pharma. Switzerland is a big Pharma country, in case you dont know. Go talk to the people who actually know me, they know better. Even people I tangentially know like Marty from WBF know better as our companies crossed paths in the past. Go check out companies like Actelion, Roche, Merck-Serono (my old company), Novartis, Alexion, etc...That is my world.

I have the prospectus right here with me and I hve another local pals who has Gulf State heavyweight contacts and I passed on a copy to him to follow up with, as I think this particular audio company makes very commendable products and with expansion has the potential to sake up the high end market. i will let you know right here if and when it happens. This is just a hobby for me and I dont seek or expect to make a penny from any of this. I think you KNOW this and are trying to be mischievous. Oh well, it wont work with me as I have truth and reality in my corner. Not everybody is chasing a buck by any means necessary. Maybe in your world, not mine.

You have done your worst, but its no skin off my back.

Now, do YOU work for Soulution? You seem touchy about all things related to them, so Can I ridiculously assume you work for them?
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Norman, you know darn well your comment about "behaving nicely" related to the fact that I came back from Axpona having decided to not buy Lampi and I spoke publicly on the forum about my reasoning. Per usual, you jumped on me so aggressively I finally questioned if you had a financial interest in an audio company and you denied it but offered me a financial interest in an audio company to behave nice.

In addition, the last time we had these pleasantries you made the same comments about me and my Soulution and you did it again earlier in this thread. It seems to be your weapon of choice when anyone stands up to you about your zealotry. Accuse the accuser of your behavior. Give me one example of me ever making a comment about my Soulution gear other than it matches well with Raidho's. That old school ploy is not applicable in this case.

As far as me "trying to be mischievous," Norman I try to just ignore most of your Lampi spin because it often makes little sense to me but sometimes it just goes to far. When you refute the well established characteristics of DHT's just because they reside in a Lampi is just silly and brings me back to thinking about your past behavior. I would never waste my time being mischievous for sport especially on your behalf, but dude you gotta keep it real in these threads.
 
No I dont Paul. You really think I care what you buy and that is the crux of the matter!

You peppered me for months with questions online which I foolishly tried to answer and so you somehow think I work for the company. Others seemd to think I worked for Job.(SMDH). Dont confuse friendliness and enthusiasm for anything else. I shout about the products and people in the industry I like/admire and that is it. Punto finale.

DHTs in a dac are used in a "wrong" way and are a byatch to engineer to reduce/eliminate vibrations and are not at all the same as in a power amp. That is why 2A3s are so unpopular in the lampi and are popular in power amps.

I dont want to pollute this board with any more personal garbage, so I will stop here. You keep telling me to relax, but it seems you are the one who is upset. perhaps you should take your own advice. I am calm and centered...it comes from having a clear conscience. Not everything is about money and hidden agendas. That is not how "I" roll and the people in the hobby who truly know me understand that.

ITS OVER PAUL, LET IT GO...
 
OK Boys, I've had enough of this bickering in public. If you want to continue this discussion,do it with PM's.

Clear??
 
MDP said:
OK Boys, I've had enough of this bickering in public. If you want to continue this discussion,do it with PM's.

Clear??
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I think Paul has made a pretty serious allegation that can affect the brand, and definitely Wisnon's online personality unless it's clarified. One of them is right. One of them loses a lot of credibility on forums depending on who is right. So I think clarity is important
 
bonzo said:
I think Paul has made a pretty serious allegation that can affect the brand, and definitely Wisnon's online personality unless it's clarified. One of them is right. One of them loses a lot of credibility on forums depending on who is right. So I think clarity is important
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Mark I agree and I will discontinue, as I stated in my previous post.

Bonzo, as I have no financial or business connections in audio, I really dont care, personally. indeed, next time you come to Geneva, look me up and I will show you exactly where I work. I already know where you work in London when I called you last time.

"Facts" without context can be manipulated. Its seems the fellow clearly misread my PM and went on a flight of fancy. Again, no skin off my back...like him we carry on unaffected, except for some bruised feelings.
 
I have simply stated facts. People can draw there own conclusions. I did not directly accuse Norman of anything. I asked a question he responded with the PM posted. That is the reality.
 
wisnon said:
Mark I agree and I will discontinue, as I stated in my previous post.

Bonzo, as I have no financial or business connections in audio, I really dont care, personally. indeed, next time you come to Geneva, look me up and I will show you exactly where I work. I already know where you work in London when I called you last time.
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Hi Norman I know where you work and nothing from me. But there are lot of people surfing the internet in their product search and while reading online recommendations. Do they take one based on what was heard at a hifi show, or discredit yours because of the allegations made by Paul?
 
bonzo said:
I think Paul has made a pretty serious allegation that can affect the brand, and definitely Wisnon's online personality unless it's clarified. One of them is right. One of them loses a lot of credibility on forums depending on who is right. So I think clarity is important
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You may think so, but I don't. We don't allow personal attacks on this forum. Period!

Mike and I are both sick of personal bickering. It adds no value to our hobby.
 
MDP said:
You may think so, but I don't. We don't allow personal attacks on this forum. Period!

Mike and I are both sick of personal bickering. It adds no value to our hobby.
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Agree and apologies.

Please feel free to delete the whole sordid mess, or not!
 
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