Interesting, Mike. Can you please define analog like? I don't know what you mean, even though I listen to great turntables in my friends' systems all the time. How is it in your view more analog like than other digital?
Thanks
Al
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Interesting, Mike. Can you please define analog like? I don't know what you mean, even though I listen to great turntables in my friends' systems all the time. How is it in your view more analog like than other digital?
Thanks
Al
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Al,
So many DAC’s have that hashy, processed sounding, thin, overly sibilant, forward, fatiguing sound. They don’t sound organic. They don’t sound like master tape. They sound very computerized, oozing their 1’s and 0’s with pride. They don’t sound natural.
The MSB is the polar opposite. It sounds organic, rich, natural. It has body. It never sounds processed. It sound so close to master tape.
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Thanks, Mike. I guess then my Yggdrasil DAC sounds analog by that standard. Others may disagree. In any case, just a few days ago I had a vinyl lover over and he thought that my DAC didn't even remotely sound 'digital', so I don't seem to be the only one who thinks so.
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Al, when we compared Ian’s Yggy against his DCS, I think we both felt the Yggy was more organic. The DCS did all the hi-fi digital stuff, but the Yggy sounded more organic.
The MSB, takes this to a whole new level IMO.
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That may well be, Mike, and I'll be curious to hear it some day. At this point though I have ordered ceiling diffusers from ASC that definitely will further improve the sound in a natural direction. Nothing beats the right acoustics if you want to achieve something of a resemblance of a concert hall experience. I have already worked a lot on my acoustics, and this will be yet another, probably important, step. No level of gear can substitute for that.
Hi mike,
Wich dcs dac the Yggdrasil was compared to?
Thks
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Hopefully a MSB Discrete dac is in your future- we'll be waiting
fyi, I run mine in a similar system as yours - passive to a tube amp
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DCS Rossini I believe. I had an Yggy I took on trade (latest version) and I preferred the Lampi GA and MSB. But at $2400...it’s good. Just wish it did DSD and MQA. But again, I really feel there are DAC’s that fall into that musical, more organic category and others that don’t. You will find people who really do prefer that thin, crunchy, digital, hashy, processed sound. Maybe they grew up on MP3’s...don’t know?
I understand exactly what you are saying.
I want my next dac organic musical fluid but i m not ready to trade dynamic decay details micro and macro and all the rest......
I m heading towards new r2r dacs like msb, totaldac tube mk2, denafrips terminal .....
I hope someone make comparaisons of all these superstar dacs!!
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I want my next dac organic musical fluid but i m not ready to trade dynamic decay details micro and macro and all the rest......
I m heading towards new r2r dacs like msb, totaldac tube mk2, denafrips terminal .....
I hope someone make comparaisons of all these superstar dacs!!
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Well said. And as an example, exactly what the Auralic Vega did in my system recently.
The comparison was with dCS Vivaldi plus Upsampler (MSRP $ 63K without cables). I have heard that comparison in Ian's system many times.
I just had an audio friend over who is pretty picky (in a good way), and he was also very impressed with the Yggy.
Doesn't say I'll never buy another DAC (MSB?) but I'm not itching.
Hopefully a MSB Discrete dac is in your future- we'll be waiting
fyi, I run mine in a similar system as yours - passive to a tube amp
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No problem, Mike. I am definitely more curious now about hearing the MSB sometime.
Keith - you were spot on. I rearranged things and the MSB is now on the top shelf and it runs only slightly warm - much cooler than before. Thanks.
Andrew
Am doing my best to be restrained. And I only have 130 hours consecutive hours of burn in time, so have some way to go.
But this sound is seriously extraordinary.
Just listened to my go-to audio testing track (Decks Dark by Radiohead) and I have never heard it sound like this.
It is liquid - like the terminator guy. Like a fondue. On steroids. Am seriously blown away.
Amazing.
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But this sound is seriously extraordinary.
Just listened to my go-to audio testing track (Decks Dark by Radiohead) and I have never heard it sound like this.
It is liquid - like the terminator guy. Like a fondue. On steroids. Am seriously blown away.
Amazing.
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KeithR
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Am doing my best to be restrained. And I only have 130 hours consecutive hours of burn in time, so have some way to go.
But this sound is seriously extraordinary.
Just listened to my go-to audio testing track (Decks Dark by Radiohead) and I have never heard it sound like this.
It is liquid - like the terminator guy. Like a fondue. On steroids. Am seriously blown away.
Amazing.
Any update on the breakin?
Small but noticeable improvement all round - but big improvement in the bass, particularly the mid bass. It is sounding really good now. I love it. And I am using the supplied power cable as I wait for a new AQ Tornado. So I expect it to get a little better.
Has anyone had a chance to compare the Premier with its base clock against the upgraded Fento 93? That will be a very interesting comparison.
Has anyone had a chance to compare the Premier with its base clock against the upgraded Fento 93? That will be a very interesting comparison.